vaccinate your kids, or else!!

DaemonSeid · #1 11-20-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I do not want her collecting any disability for her kids when measles, mumps, and rubella wreck havoc on her children's systems... There is now drug resistant measles opportunistic infections in children in Africa due to malaria infections... Global Health...

well...what a lot of people forgot also was also here in MD are a few factors to think about:

1. Right around the beginning of the school year...several of them had to be shut down due to several diseases and infections were found in the student population.

2. Sorry to say this but something to consider, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the population that hasn't been immunized are made up of illegal immigrants. One of my best friends are teahcing in a school full of kids who are otherwise not legal in the US and he tells me that a lot of the kids stay sick....we discussed this very topic last weekend and he said that Baltimore City will be next more than likely in doing the same thing.

3. Insurance.... a lot of people cannot afford to get these shots and some even refuse to go to the free clinic....why? I do not know...something else my and my friend discussed last week.

MysticCat · #2 11-20-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

And really, I was referring more to those people who refuse to get little Bobby immunized because the internet told them about how it causes autism and refuse to listen to anyone else.

I know you were, and I see that point. My hunch, FWIW, is that some kids carry a genetic predisposition for autism spectrum disorders, and I think it's quite possible that some combination of enviromental factors (vaccines? diet/food additives?something else?) triggers that predisposition. But I think it is far from a simple answer.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

MysticCat - What point/age did you notice a change in your son?

Around 3.

And being the proud dad that I am, let me add that now, at 10, he is doing very, very well. He still has his challenges, especially with navigating social cues and non-verbal language, but he really is doing well.

ISUKappa · #3 11-20-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SydneyK

I wish there were completely unbiased resources to turn to. Everything I've found seems to have some kind of spin on it, so like I said, it's hard to know what to believe.

Have you looked into Dr. Sears' The Vaccine Book? I haven't personally read it, but some of my friends have and they say it's one of the more balanced books on vaccinations out there. He does have a pro-vax lean, but is also for delaying/omitting some.

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

Around 3.

And being the proud dad that I am, let me add that now, at 10, he is doing very, very well. He still has his challenges, especially with navigating social cues and non-verbal language, but he really is doing well.

May I ask, was it a sudden change? Had he been a "normal" infant/toddler until that point? I think every parent worries most about that potential - their seemingly "normal" child just one day "changes" (for lack of a better word) into a completely different child.

I think it's wonderful he's doing so well, and obviously has a dad (and family) who care very much for him.

AKA_Monet · #4 11-20-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

2. Sorry to say this but something to consider, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the population that hasn't been immunized are made up of illegal immigrants. One of my best friends are teahcing in a school full of kids who are otherwise not legal in the US and he tells me that a lot of the kids stay sick....we discussed this very topic last weekend and he said that Baltimore City will be next more than likely in doing the same thing.

3. Insurance.... a lot of people cannot afford to get these shots and some even refuse to go to the free clinic....why? I do not know...something else my and my friend discussed last week.

I'm sorry, I have to disagree with that. Many undocumented immigrants actually do get their children's immunizations because they want the benefit of education, so I have seen many do what it takes.

But, just like US citizens do not get immunizations, so as undocumented immigrants. Interestingly, I would like to see the same rates in Europe. The Europeans have been exposed to many of these diseases for a millennium, so there are real immunity design issues that have been on-going.

Folks who refuse to get their children free shots have very little excuse now. Some of that may be laziness to care for their kids. Period.

DaemonSeid · #5 11-20-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I'm sorry, I have to disagree with that. Many undocumented immigrants actually do get their children's immunizations because they want the benefit of education, so I have seen many do what it takes.

But, just like US citizens do not get immunizations, so as undocumented immigrants. Interestingly, I would like to see the same rates in Europe. The Europeans have been exposed to many of these diseases for a millennium, so there are real immunity design issues that have been on-going.

Folks who refuse to get their children free shots have very little excuse now. Some of that may be laziness to care for their kids. Period.

we will have to agree to disagree...2 teachers I talked to don't lie... heheheh *wink*.

AlphaFrog · #6 11-20-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

we will have to agree to disagree...2 teachers I talked to don't lie... heheheh *wink*.

Yes, 2 is a highly representative number of the entire lot of teachers in this country. I'm sure it was a very diverse cross section as well.

DaemonSeid · #7 11-20-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Yes, 2 is a highly representative number of the entire lot of teachers in this country. I'm sure it was a very diverse cross section as well.

AF sometimes...you really should keep your thoughts to yourself...again...trying to look cute in front of your friends...is not cute.

I wasn't disputing AKA_Monet's opinion at all.

I heard one thing...she heard something else.

We both have 2 different sources and I am sure hers has verifiable information as well as mine (matter of fact, Monet one of my sources is a soror <and sis in law> of yours)

Get it? Agree to disagree (also known as saying that we both can be right)

Keep your peanut gallery comments to yourself please.

AlphaFrog · #8 11-20-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

AF sometimes...you really should keep your thoughts to yourself...again...trying to look cute in front of your friends...is not cute.

I wasn't disputing AKA_Monet's opinion at all.

I heard one thing...she heard something else.

We both have 2 different sources and I am sure hers has verifiable information as well as mine (matter of fact, Monet one of my sources is a soror <and sis in law> of yours)

Get it? Agree to disagree (also known as saying that we both can be right)

Keep your peanut gallery comments to yourself please.

You can't agree to disagree on facts. Either illegal immigrants for the most part get their children immunized, or they don't. It's not a debate. It may be hard to prove, since there may not be much documentation, but it's not an opinion.

As for your "source" - anecdotes don't qualify as "verifiable information".

And if you think I feel the need to "impress" people or look cute, you obviously haven't read too many of my posts. I say what I feel like. Let me repeat that so you get it: I SAY WHAT I FEEL LIKE. Got it?

DaemonSeid · #9 11-20-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

And if you think I feel the need to "impress" people or look cute, you obviously haven't read too many of my posts. I say what I feel like. Let me repeat that so you get it: I SAY WHAT I FEEL LIKE. Got it?

I can't hear you...remove your foot please

AKA_Monet · #10 11-20-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

AF sometimes...you really should keep your thoughts to yourself...again...trying to look cute in front of your friends...is not cute.

I wasn't disputing AKA_Monet's opinion at all.

I heard one thing...she heard something else.

We both have 2 different sources and I am sure hers has verifiable information as well as mine (matter of fact, Monet one of my sources is a soror <and sis in law> of yours)

Get it? Agree to disagree (also known as saying that we both can be right)

Keep your peanut gallery comments to yourself please.

Verifiable information?

MysticCat · #11 11-20-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Get it? Agree to disagree (also known as saying that we both can be right)

Since when does "agree to disagree" mean the same thing as saying "we're both right"? It can just as likely (or more likely) mean "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not going to change my mind, and you're hopeless, so let's just move on."

DaemonSeid · #12 11-20-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

Since when does "agree to disagree" mean the same thing as saying "we're both right"? It can just as likely (or more likely) mean "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not going to change my mind, and you're hopeless, so let's just move on."

Mystic...

what it means to me...IMO

in some cases there can be two sides to each story.

Your experiences and mine are not similar. But we may have beliefs and facts that form different opinions on a simliar subject.

Sometimes there is no one right or truly correct way especially since there may be different ways that give a positive (or negative...depending on what you are seeking) result on tackling a problem.

I may not like your opinion, you may not like mine.

I respect that you have one and if whatever works for you gets the job done so be it.

And it may even be prudent for me to at least examine whatever it is that you are doing because I may have to change and adapt to that way of thinking or doing.

For instance.... religion

AKA_Monet · #13 11-20-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Yes, 2 is a highly representative number of the entire lot of teachers in this country. I'm sure it was a very diverse cross section as well.

Not to mention what really goes on in undocumented immigrants homes... I guess you would have that statistical significance and relevancy for a full double-blinded trial...

DaemonSeid · #14 11-20-2007, 03:13 PM

OK...

I wasn't saying it for you all to take that '2' to be a literal number as a statistical fact!

AKA_Monet · #15 11-20-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

OK...

I wasn't saying it for you all to take that '2' to be a literal number as a statistical fact!

But that's how stereotypes, distortions and rumors get started and proliferate out of proportion.

We are about dispelling myths on GC. Everyone can agree to disagree with facts. Quips and puns in this discussion is not a joke to a lot of folks around here...