vaccinate your kids, or else!!

[SWTXBelle]

The problem with the Pox Parties - while it is usually a fairly mild disease, it can be severe - even causing death. And there are other possible side effects - my baby brother still has the scars from when he caught it from me. He was 6 months old and being breastfed, so the doctors assured my mother he would have natural immunity.(!)

[APhi Sailorgirl]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

I was always told that you can only get chicken pox once; However once you have chicken pox, the virus stays in your body and you can get shingles.

So as I understand it, the vaccine prevents chicken pox and you can't get shingles without having had the chicken pox first. (so it sort-of prevents two things).

Hope this makes sense.

As someone who is only 25 and had chicken pox at 4 and then shingles at 16, I'm curious how the vaccine will affect shingles. I got shingles after being re-exposed to chicken pox. Since my case of chicken pox was mild, I did not have enough antibodies to fight it the second time, hence shingles.

I don't know if the vaccine could have the same effect, esp if it is not a lifetime vaccine. People down the line could end up with shingles if re-exposed to chicken pox.

And while shingles isn't as bad as chicken pox with side effects, it isn't any easier and the nerve pains leading up to the breakout made me think I was crazy b/c we couldn't pinpoint the cause of the problem until the rash appeared.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by APhi Sailorgirl

As someone who is only 25 and had chicken pox at 4 and then shingles at 16, I'm curious how the vaccine will affect shingles. I got shingles after being re-exposed to chicken pox. Since my case of chicken pox was mild, I did not have enough antibodies to fight it the second time, hence shingles.

I don't know if the vaccine could have the same effect, esp if it is not a lifetime vaccine. People down the line could end up with shingles if re-exposed to chicken pox.

And while shingles isn't as bad as chicken pox with side effects, it isn't any easier and the nerve pains leading up to the breakout made me think I was crazy b/c we couldn't pinpoint the cause of the problem until the rash appeared.

Goto the CDC to get the references.

Both viruses are alpha herpes simplex viruses. They are double stranded DNA viruses. There are several strains. You may have gotten different strains and you got similar symptoms, however few different ones.

Your doctors could be more astute... That is why you need to EDUCATE YOURSELF and KNOW your body... You ultimately have to be on top of your health of yourself. Come in with measurements--like how high and long was your body temperature... I know crazy, but that's how I got treatment for hypertension...

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

None that I can think of -- the sniffles are usually seasonal, and when others in the house have them as well. But again, you've given me something to keep an eye out for.

They have to be extremely ODD kinds of allergies or a complete inability to "throw off" the "sniffles" outside of anyone else or something like being 16 years old and still having 103+ degree temperatures and no "confounders", like "hemorrhagic fever" or "yellow/dengue fever"--which is a very real possibility to come back into the US because of global warming...

If your son is mildly autistic, he MIGHT grow out of it. The issue is autism does not have OVERT slide pathology. So, it barely can be detected by MRI even with "bubble" technology... As you are aware, it is only by psych eval tests and learning tests.

One thing I do remember from my training is how music "gets" to their thought processes... So, when you all do have difficulty, start singing and playing music.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

One thing I do remember from my training is how music "gets" to their thought processes... So, when you all do have difficulty, start singing and playing music.

He's just lucky his daddy's a Sinfonian.

I remember when I was studying Music Therapy - autism was a HUGE part of our clientel. I had two autistic kids as clients, and it took them 4 weeks to learn my name, but 3 months later, I had them singing "Jamaican Farewell" and playing the ukelelis with it.

[BigRedBeta]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Goto the CDC to get the references.

Both viruses are alpha herpes simplex viruses. They are double stranded DNA viruses. There are several strains. You may have gotten different strains and you got similar symptoms, however few different ones.

Your doctors could be more astute... That is why you need to EDUCATE YOURSELF and KNOW your body... You ultimately have to be on top of your health of yourself. Come in with measurements--like how high and long was your body temperature... I know crazy, but that's how I got treatment for hypertension...

The Shingles vaccine is currently only being recommended for patients 60 years and older.

If you had Chickenpox as child, getting shingles is a possibility. The lifetime risk of getting shingles is about 10% without the vaccine. The vaccine cuts this risk in half, so if you get the vaccine, the odds are only 5% that you'll get shingles at some point in your later years. However, if you get the vaccine and still get shingles, you end up with a milder form of the disease. If you've ever met anyone who has shingles or still suffering from the neuropathic pain that occurs for years afterwards, you'll understand why getting a milder form of the disease is better.

For those who have already had shingles, the vaccine is not currently being recommended. This doesn't mean you can't get it. However, the clinicians I've been working with recently have been telling those who have had shingles to kind of just wait and see what the recommendations end up being.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by BigRedBeta

The Shingles vaccine is currently only being recommended for patients 60 years and older.

If you had Chickenpox as child, getting shingles is a possibility. The lifetime risk of getting shingles is about 10% without the vaccine. The vaccine cuts this risk in half, so if you get the vaccine, the odds are only 5% that you'll get shingles at some point in your later years. However, if you get the vaccine and still get shingles, you end up with a milder form of the disease. If you've ever met anyone who has shingles or still suffering from the neuropathic pain that occurs for years afterwards, you'll understand why getting a milder form of the disease is better.

For those who have already had shingles, the vaccine is not currently being recommended. This doesn't mean you can't get it. However, the clinicians I've been working with recently have been telling those who have had shingles to kind of just wait and see what the recommendations end up being.

Was this for me or the OP? I kind of know this, already, since I have a Molecular Genetics Ph.D. and a paper using Adenovirus...

[AGDee]

I know of at least one teenager who got shingles and who had the varicella vaccine, not the chicken pox disease. Then again, my brother is a rare one who got chicken pox twice as a kid. He had it when he was 2 and then again when I got it. The first one was very mild so the doctor said it might not have been bad enough for him to develop immunity. I think part of the logic of having all children getting the vaccine is to prevent them from giving it to a parent/teacher or other adult who did not have it as a child. I had my children vaccinated before it was necessary because their dad never had chicken pox and we didn't want to risk him getting it.

It's my understanding that you can get shingles any time that your immune system gets very stressed. My grandfather had shingles so bad that he had to have surgery to have the nerve deadened because he was in such pain for so long. Bad deal.

I worked with a lot of autistic children as an OT and was trained in sensory integration, which has been quite successful with some autistic children.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by kstar

If I recall that article also said to take the doctor's opinions into account, as they do know more. To refuse to vaccinate and put other people's kids at risk is foolish, and I doubt those people took the doctors studies into account.

Vaccinations are not something that doctors change their mind about, more experience or not.

Nowhere did I say that I was against vaccinations--obviously an educated, savvy parent like ISUKappa seems to be would probably have done enough research to make an informed decision. Doctors may not change their minds about vaccinations--but there's a huge gap between being a "medical student" and being an actual physicia, isn't there?

RE: chicken pox vaccinations, I WISH I would have gotten it, or at least the damned pox in the first place. My mother was creeped out by the idea of my sister and I getting it (we stayed at home with her, so it was easy to limit our exposure to pox-ridden kids), and my sister and I got it at 21 and 15, respectively, and we were both really really sick. I was in Driver's Ed that semester and missed two weeks of school; it also blew my class rank.

[AKA_Monet]

Not to belittle anyone's experience, but MayoClinic says that most people think their children are getting autism after the MMR (mumps-measles-rubella) vaccination... They also say there is no clinical proof of that occurring.

But I have an idea.

This vaccine use to be a heat-killed virus vaccination. Now it is the double stranded DNA... It works "sufficiently". There is an additive, such as BSA (bovine serum albumin) or gelatin (from pork) or ovalbumin (from chicken) to mount an immune response from the human body.

I think these short nucleotides are serving a strong primers or DNA-isomers that could cause a DNA adduction attack that activates several gene processes involving cancer. Since there is no cancer, about 75% of the DNA vaccine is incorporated into the macrophage or APC before presentation to the T-cell. Many children do not have fully matured T-cells through thymic education. Ultimately, the T-cells incorporate the DNA vaccine and tell the B-cells what to fight against when making antibodies.

HOWEVER!!! It is the WAY we are making the DNA--most DNA in cells is chemically modified, but a variety of processes, then they become nascent DNA--unmodified for variety of reasons. However, in the lab, we do not modify the DNA... Heat killing the virus would disable the viral parts of the virus, but not remove it chemical modification... In this case, it probably is methylated.

The first thing one learns in DNA isolation and purification is that DNA is kept nascent. Occasionally, we would be unable to cut DNA with molecular scissors, restriction enzymes, but usually, most DNA from the current amplification bacteria we use ONLY generates nascent DNA.

I am only speculating, but this may be the first evidence of epigenetic malformation resulting from nascent DNA. The DNA must be modified for an effective vaccination...

Because, there are various forms of autism. It does not have gross anatomical pathology as measured by MRI or other mechanisms. Some young people are fully functional as best as they could be. And I have heard cases of young people becoming adults who have minimal symptoms of autism. It may very well be a full epigenetic affect and they way it appears on PubMed, that it may occur in the auricle and proximal cortical regions in the brain... DNA in the brain is often either RNA from rapid protein generation or modified for quick regulation...

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

He's just lucky his daddy's a Sinfonian.

I remember when I was studying Music Therapy - autism was a HUGE part of our clientel. I had two autistic kids as clients, and it took them 4 weeks to learn my name, but 3 months later, I had them singing "Jamaican Farewell" and playing the ukelelis with it.

I did some research, and it sounds like the hair cells may be affected. If I were to do a clinical trial, and received an IRB and recruited a significant number, I w ould hope I could find variations via array technology variations pre and post vaccination.

[AKA_Monet]

Here are new articles on autism:

Association between Microdeletion and Microduplication at 16p11.2 and Autism

Autism's Cause May Reside in Abnormalities at the Synapse

Just a friendly neighborhood examination of scientific articles. If you need assistance on what it is saying, PM me!

[AKA_Monet]

Of course it happens in my former resident city...

Public Health Risk Seen as Parents Reject Vaccines

SAN DIEGO — In a highly unusual outbreak of measles here last month, 12 children fell ill; nine of them had not been inoculated against the virus because their parents objected, and the other three were too young to receive vaccines.

The parents who objected to their children being inoculated are among a small but growing number of vaccine skeptics in California and other states who take advantage of exemptions to laws requiring vaccinations for school-age children.

The exemptions have been growing since the early 1990s at a rate that many epidemiologists, public health officials and physicians find disturbing.

Children who are not vaccinated are unnecessarily susceptible to serious illnesses, they say, but also present a danger to children who have had their shots — the measles vaccine, for instance, is only 95 percent effective — and to those children too young to receive certain vaccines.

Measles, almost wholly eradicated in the United States through vaccines, can cause pneumonia and brain swelling, which in rare cases can lead to death. The measles outbreak here alarmed public health officials, sickened babies and sent one child to the hospital.

Every state allows medical exemptions, and most permit exemptions based on religious practices. But an increasing number of the vaccine skeptics belong to a different group — those who object to the inoculations because of their personal beliefs, often related to an unproven notion that vaccines are linked to autism and other disorders.

Twenty states, including California, Ohio and Texas, allow some kind of personal exemption, according to a tally by the Johns Hopkins University.

“I refuse to sacrifice my children for the greater good,” said Sybil Carlson, whose 6-year-old son goes to school with several of the children hit by the measles outbreak here. The boy is immunized against some diseases but not measles, Ms. Carlson said, while his 3-year-old brother has had just one shot, protecting him against meningitis.

“When I began to read about vaccines and how they work,” she said, “I saw medical studies, not given to use by the mainstream media, connecting them with neurological disorders, asthma and immunology.”

Ms. Carlson said she understood what was at stake. “I cannot deny that my child can put someone else at risk,” she said.

Interesting...

[AKA_Monet]

NBC has a presentation

Opting out of measles vaccines

March 24: Nine of 12 in San Diego children recently diagnosed with measles were discovered to have opted out of the vaccine, sparking a new debate over a potential public health threat. NBC's Rehema Ellis reports.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

NBC has a presentation
Quote:

Opting out of measles vaccines

March 24: Nine of 12 in San Diego children recently diagnosed with measles were discovered to have opted out of the vaccine, sparking a new debate over a potential public health threat. NBC's Rehema Ellis reports.

I take just one issue with the above -- the children didn't opt themselves out of the vaccines, their flipping parents did. I'm sure the kids would much prefer not to have gotten that sick if THEY were able to avoid it.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I take just one issue with the above -- the children didn't opt themselves out of the vaccines, their flipping parents did. I'm sure the kids would much prefer not to have gotten that sick if THEY were able to avoid it.

I know!!! That is what is scary about this situation... 18/21 kids in San Diego that got the measles did not get the vaccine!!!

These diseases mutate!!! That is why we vaccinate. It is possible that the crap in the inactive ingredients are bogus... The actually vaccine, active ingredients are fine... I would put an immediate standard and say that all ingredients in the vaccine have to be 99.9% pure.