right/wrong

[LPIDelta]

AFA is establishing/has established a task forceor hosting a symposium to address the issue of multiple definitions of hazing. I believe they are going to attempt a common understanding among all the various organizations (NPC, NPHC, NIC etc.).

The problem is--AFA's definition is still going to be different from FIPG, this state will be different from that state, (it could go on and on).

For me, I am comfortable citing FIPG as an authority, and that is the definition I use most often. But that also gets into issues of interpretation...

Anyway...

[jessiwannabe]

Who said anything about harming anyone? I did not say I was going to put my hands on anyone or cause any harm to anyone ma'ma. I just feel if I want to be apart of a organization I should have grades,community service records,and school as well as my lifestyle intact. I never said I accepted hazing,but on the flip side of that no one is free to speak about the things behind the curtains of the orgainzations doings; therefore you can say hazing doesn't happen and have all the laws you want. They only work after the fact the hazing has already be done. That do not stop them from doing it. Accidents happen much to often to say hazing does not occur and it's wrong. There have been hazing accidents since the begining of greek organizations. The way you find out hazing has occured is when you see it on the news or the paper. If nothing deadly,or harmful, happens you don't hear about it. It is all relative to the person it has nothing to do with the organization. A organization can stand right on the yard and scream as loud as possible WE HAZE but if the person wants it bad enough they will do it anyway. If they let themselves get hazed and even though on both side it's wrong,they can't haze you if you don't let them. It was not a right or wrong answer to this thread every one has their own beliefs and opinions I just wanted to get some greeks input. I respected every one on here when I started and still respect everyone. If you have the ability to compromise that is a sign of noblity. I would love to live in a world where you are not based on how far are you willing to go but how much are you willing to give back, and find your true purpose in life. Years from now you can say I made this happen I made a change. If no one is willing to change underground hazing their is nothing else we can do other than hope it doesn't happen but hope doesn't work when someone is dead. I want to join a organization to give back to my community because they are in desperate need of change. You may be asking how will you change it? Getting new after school programs picking up trash and encourage every one else to do the same. Visit hospice homes to give comfort and need to those who need it. Teaching children that there is more to life than money, cars, and clothes. Teaching them how to function in the world on their own; because nothing is given to you in this world you have to earn your keep here. Your name is the first thing someone remembers about you and the last thing they remember when you die. I don't want anyone to remember how I died I want people to remember how I lived. I want to give back to my organization leadership,and the willingness to learn to follow and also honesty. I respect any and everyone's opinion here I'm glad great minds don't think alike great minds think for themselves. "Life is a gift I don't plan on wasting it to make each day count''. (Words of Jack Dawson)

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by jessiwannabe

Who said anything about harming anyone? I did not say I was going to put my hands on anyone or cause any harm to anyone ma'ma. I just feel if I want to be apart of a organization I should have grades,community service records,and school as well as my lifestyle intact. I never said I accepted hazing,but on the flip side of that no one is free to speak about the things behind the curtains of the orgainzations doings; therefore you can say hazing doesn't happen and have all the laws you want. They only work after the fact the hazing has already be done. That do not stop them from doing it. Accidents happen much to often to say hazing does not occur and it's wrong. There have been hazing accidents since the begining of greek organizations. The way you find out hazing has occured is when you see it on the news or the paper. If nothing deadly,or harmful, happens you don't hear about it. It is all relative to the person it has nothing to do with the organization. A organization can stand right on the yard and scream as loud as possible WE HAZE but if the person wants it bad enough they will do it anyway. If they let themselves get hazed and even though on both side it's wrong,they can't haze you if you don't let them. It was not a right or wrong answer to this thread every one has their own beliefs and opinions I just wanted to get some greeks input. I respected every one on here when I started and still respect everyone. If you have the ability to compromise that is a sign of noblity. I would love to live in a world where you are not based on how far are you willing to go but how much are you willing to give back, and find your true purpose in life. Years from now you can say I made this happen I made a change. If no one is willing to change underground hazing their is nothing else we can do other than hope it doesn't happen but hope doesn't work when someone is dead. I want to join a organization to give back to my community because they are in desperate need of change. You may be asking how will you change it? Getting new after school programs picking up trash and encourage every one else to do the same. Visit hospice homes to give comfort and need to those who need it. Teaching children that there is more to life than money, cars, and clothes. Teaching them how to function in the world on their own; because nothing is given to you in this world you have to earn your keep here. Your name is the first thing someone remembers about you and the last thing they remember when you die. I don't want anyone to remember how I died I want people to remember how I lived. I want to give back to my organization leadership,and the willingness to learn to follow and also honesty. I respect any and everyone's opinion here I'm glad great minds don't think alike great minds think for themselves. "Life is a gift I don't plan on wasting it to make each day count''. (Words of Jack Dawson)

If anyone actually takes the time to read this whole thing, can the rest of us have the cliffnotes?

Thanks in advance.

[srmom]

Is that quote from Titanic?

I couldn't read the whole thing because the words start to blur. Maybe I need glasses.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jessiwannabe

Who said anything about harming anyone? I did not say I was going to put my hands on anyone or cause any harm to anyone ma'ma. I just feel if I want to be apart of a organization I should have grades,community service records,and school as well as my lifestyle intact. I never said I accepted hazing,but on the flip side of that no one is free to speak about the things behind the curtains of the orgainzations doings; therefore you can say hazing doesn't happen and have all the laws you want. They only work after the fact the hazing has already be done. That do not stop them from doing it. Accidents happen much to often to say hazing does not occur and it's wrong. There have been hazing accidents since the begining of greek organizations. The way you find out hazing has occured is when you see it on the news or the paper. If nothing deadly,or harmful, happens you don't hear about it. It is all relative to the person it has nothing to do with the organization. A organization can stand right on the yard and scream as loud as possible WE HAZE but if the person wants it bad enough they will do it anyway. If they let themselves get hazed and even though on both side it's wrong,they can't haze you if you don't let them. It was not a right or wrong answer to this thread every one has their own beliefs and opinions I just wanted to get some greeks input. I respected every one on here when I started and still respect everyone. If you have the ability to compromise that is a sign of noblity. I would love to live in a world where you are not based on how far are you willing to go but how much are you willing to give back, and find your true purpose in life. Years from now you can say I made this happen I made a change. If no one is willing to change underground hazing their is nothing else we can do other than hope it doesn't happen but hope doesn't work when someone is dead. I want to join a organization to give back to my community because they are in desperate need of change. You may be asking how will you change it? Getting new after school programs picking up trash and encourage every one else to do the same. Visit hospice homes to give comfort and need to those who need it. Teaching children that there is more to life than money, cars, and clothes. Teaching them how to function in the world on their own; because nothing is given to you in this world you have to earn your keep here. Your name is the first thing someone remembers about you and the last thing they remember when you die. I don't want anyone to remember how I died I want people to remember how I lived. I want to give back to my organization leadership,and the willingness to learn to follow and also honesty. I respect any and everyone's opinion here I'm glad great minds don't think alike great minds think for themselves. "Life is a gift I don't plan on wasting it to make each day count''. (Words of Jack Dawson)

Great. Finished. Excellent. You quoted Titanic. End Thread. Go Crazy Time. Bullet in head.

[jessiwannabe]

Yes I did quote Titanic. You mad now or something?

[macallan25]

No, but my head hurts.

[jessiwannabe]

okay.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by jessiwannabe

There have been hazing accidents ...
I don't want anyone to remember how I died I want people to remember how I lived.

Ok, I omitted the fluff.

Yes, there have been hazing accidents. And I guarantee that if you died as a result of a hazing accident, you'd want people to remember that.

[jessiwannabe]

Yes! You have a right to remember what ever you want. Learn from it then don't let it happen again, but apparently no one does because accidents happen every year.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Great. Finished. Excellent. You quoted Titanic. End Thread. Go Crazy Time. Bullet in head.

never did I think I would agree with one of your posts, but this is all that needs to be said.

Is the original poster a troll or just kinda psycho? Hmmm....

[jessiwannabe]

well you have the right to believe what you want to. The first poster is just my opinion. My sister killed herself because people didn't think she was good enough. I don't think it is fair to call me psycho.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by srmom

I couldn't read the whole thing because the words start to blur. Maybe I need glasses.

No, she just needs to learn how to punctuate and use paragraphs.

[jessiwannabe]

okay. Highly noted. Now what. You mad now or something?

[TrojanWoman]

Originally Posted by jessiwannabe

"Life is a gift I don't plan on wasting it to make each day count''. (Words of Jack Dawson)

The best part of this isn't that she quoted Titanic, it's that she didn't even get the quote right. (I know, I know, I can't believe I looked it up either, but I had a little time at work while signing up to work holidays.)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120338/quotes

The real quote is . . .

"I figure life's a gift and I don't intend on wasting it. You don't know what hand you're gonna get dealt next. You learn to take life as it comes at you... to make each day count."