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09-04-2007, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00
Why in the Chit Chat thread?
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Because if it were in a Recruitment Forum, it would have been deleted pronto.
/Just sayin.
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09-04-2007, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog
Because if it were in a Recruitment Forum, it would have been deleted pronto.
/Just sayin.
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Exactly. And I was being sarcastic. Sorry to offend.
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09-04-2007, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog
Because if it were in a Recruitment Forum, it would have been deleted pronto.
/Just sayin.
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Why? Are there TOS violations here we've missed?
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09-05-2007, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltAlum
Why? Are there TOS violations here we've missed?
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You're the Mod. You tell me.
I personally don't see any, but I doubt the Recruitment mods would see it the same way you and I do. 
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09-05-2007, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltAlum
Why? Are there TOS violations here we've missed?
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Who cares? Why the hell is it here?
The mods of this forum effectively hide any criticism in the Random thread, but let this go on - can you see how that might be, you know, inconsistent?
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09-05-2007, 03:53 PM
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I can vouch for my two parents who never missed a game, recital, play or whetever that any of us were involved in, and they were about as far from helicopter parents as parents come -- their job, as they saw it, was to render themselves unnecessary.
Support =/= hovering. It's all in how it's balance.
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Amen! My parents never came to anything I did and it sucked, big time! Don't get me wrong, I love them dearly, but I wish they would have been a bit more involved in what I had going on.
I have tried to make it to my kids events, not because they need me there, but because I want to be there. Now that two are off at college, I am so glad I went to their games and other important (to them) events because all that stuff ends way too soon.
Now, parent's night at the school is a different story  I like to at least let a teacher know that I am on her side, and if she needs me to whip some bootie, I'll do it - but that can all be handled by email!
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09-05-2007, 10:04 PM
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Going to games: great; they are kind of designed for spectators. Same with recitals. It's good to send the message that you care about their success in their hobbies, but they shouldn't be playing mainly for that.
But staying and watching practice is a whole different category and even it you don't have any place to go, you should leave or at least clearly communicate that you aren't watching by reading a book, walking to the other side of the park, whatever.
Kids should have times when they work with other adults and their peers without mom and dad around so they have some practice for other situations later in life, as well as just being able to enjoy playing.
The adults who work with the kids should have the chance to work with them sometimes as just the team without an audience. (Not that they should ever say or do anything they wouldn't want mom and dad to hear or know about, just that it's a pretty unnatural dynamic to be forming authentic leadership relationships when you do it in front of an audience all the time.)
I don't mean leave your kid open to predators, but when you kid is at high school sports or band practice with the rest of the team, you don't need to stay there. Or when your youth league runs background checks and you've known the coach for ten years, you can probably leave your kid with them for a public practice with the rest of the team.
If a kid grows up with very little experience doing anything without his or her parents there, you're kind of warping him or her. And while, yes, they are bound to have some experiences without their parents, it's particularly the situations working with other adult supervisors that will end up being important in employment later.
And one other factor to consider is again, how the small number of nuts can ruin something. If there are 20 kids on the team, and 19 normal moms or dads watch practice and hang out, what are you going to do about the one truly helicopter parents who is using that time to do weird or destructive crap, like keep practice stats and argue for playing time or spread malicious gossip. It really does happen, and I think it'd be less likely to happen if everyone didn't treat practice like a spectator event.
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09-05-2007, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by KSig RC
Who cares? Why the hell is it here?
The mods of this forum effectively hide any criticism in the Random thread, but let this go on - can you see how that might be, you know, inconsistent?
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Well, I care because I'm supposed to. Trying to enforce the TOS is a big part of what moderators do.
It's here because someone started it here and chit chat is supposed to be kind of a grab bag.
Guess we'll just disagree, as usual, on the rest.
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09-06-2007, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by UGAalum94
But staying and watching practice is a whole different category and even it you don't have any place to go, you should leave or at least clearly communicate that you aren't watching by reading a book, walking to the other side of the park, whatever.
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Very true, and I probably should have added that the parents who stay at dance practice never pull up a chair and watch -- they might peer in through the window every now and then, but that's it. They read or visit.
If I'm the hanging around parent, I go to the comic shop next door and get my geek-fill.
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09-06-2007, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat
Very true, and I probably should have added that the parents who stay at dance practice never pull up a chair and watch -- they might peer in through the window every now and then, but that's it. They read or visit.
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Unfortunately my D's studio wasn't like that at all. These were cut-throat Mama's who sat and observed with an eagle eye, taking notes and commenting on who needs to watch their weight (they all looked anorexic to me) and whose "turn out" wasn't as good as it should be. I tried to sit and quilt there but their behavior made me sick so I had to leave and come back an hour later.
These were high school age girls!
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09-06-2007, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Army Wife'79
Unfortunately my D's studio wasn't like that at all. These were cut-throat Mama's who sat and observed with an eagle eye, taking notes and commenting on who needs to watch their weight (they all looked anorexic to me) and whose "turn out" wasn't as good as it should be. I tried to sit and quilt there but their behavior made me sick so I had to leave and come back an hour later.
These were high school age girls!
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And I'm afraid that because we no longer have or use any boundaries for what normal or healthy involvement is, parents like this, or whatever like this is for the activity, are more and more common.
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09-06-2007, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltAlum
Well, I care because I'm supposed to. Trying to enforce the TOS is a big part of what moderators do.
It's here because someone started it here and chit chat is supposed to be kind of a grab bag.
Guess we'll just disagree, as usual, on the rest.
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Actually that's a completely fair response, Delt - thanks.
Last edited by KSig RC; 09-06-2007 at 12:31 PM.
Reason: Will take it to PM if I feel like getting there
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09-06-2007, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KSig RC
Actually that's a completely fair response, Delt - thanks.
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Thank you, too. I appreciate it.
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