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07-18-2007, 11:50 AM
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I love Clinton Portis's remarks about the situation  
He is soaring to the top of my shit list
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960
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07-18-2007, 12:17 PM
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I am by no means justifying what Portis said! However, those comments were made at the "Beach Blitz" in May. After about a week, Portis corrected himself and said that he didn't codone dog fighting. He apologized after the uproar he created, and the Redskins tried to deflect.
In the long run, no matter what Michael Vick is an idiot and deserves the book thrown at him.
The news here that he is expected in Richmond Federal court next Thursday afternoon, July 26th for his arraignment which is scheduled at 3:30pm
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Last edited by ZTABullwinkle; 07-18-2007 at 12:36 PM.
Reason: More details about court appearance
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07-18-2007, 01:01 PM
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I agree that the methods that they used to kill the unsuccessful dogs may be stronger evidence that something being fundamentally wrong with the people involved. I had already learned that when I posted last night.
But I think the fights themselves are also completely sick because they fight to the point of pretty grievous injury or death, I think, most of the time.
I have no problem with controlled fighting for sport for people, like boxing or real Olympic wrestling. But when the point is to maim or kill for entertainment and gambling, it would be sick for people to do it, and maybe even sicker to compel animals to do it who have no choose not to.
I also want to add that I don't have a problem with people mercifully euthanizing animals for almost any reason at all.
But the guys involved in this are just emotionally broken. And I'm not sure why it makes sense for us to just wait until they start harming people before we recognize that they are probably very dangerous.
I also wonder the same thing when kids do truly horrible stuff repeatedly. I don't know what we should do about it, but it seems silly that we act like we can change fundamentally psychopathic or sociopathic people back to normal.
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07-18-2007, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum
I have no problem with controlled fighting for sport for people, like boxing or real Olympic wrestling. But when the point is to maim or kill for entertainment and gambling, it would be sick for people to do it, and maybe even sicker to compel animals to do it who have no choose not to.
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Last night my friend and I were talking about the whole Vick thing and he said "how is it any worse than bullfighting?" I don't really know enough about either sport to give a good answer so after a few seconds I brilliantly said "It just is, okay!" He does raise a point though...can anyone explain for me?
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07-18-2007, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lil' Hannah
Last night my friend and I were talking about the whole Vick thing and he said "how is it any worse than bullfighting?" I don't really know enough about either sport to give a good answer so after a few seconds I brilliantly said "It just is, okay!" He does raise a point though...can anyone explain for me?
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The main difference is that Hemmingway never wrote about dog fighting so we don't romanticize it at all, in my mind - although some would argue that pitting man against animal is somehow different from beast v beast, I think some of the world finds bullfighting pretty much awful, too.
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07-18-2007, 01:51 PM
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I don't think either is ok but I think the way humans rationalize bullfighting is that bulls are aggressive, unmanageable animals. Dogs are seen as man's best friend...our companions. Dogs are viewed as "cute" while bulls are viewed "mean". I don't think there is as much as an outcry against bullfighting because people don't automatically think of their own pet when they hear about a bull dying.
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07-18-2007, 02:02 PM
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bullfighting isnt right either. however, a bull sure as hell can run you over, even kill you, in a controlled environment. these dogs couldnt, they didnt have a chance 
ZTAngel is right, we look at bulls a whole different way than we do dogs...
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07-18-2007, 01:46 PM
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I could throw up, just reading/hearing about this. The poor "bait dogs" - with their mouths wired shut so they can't fight back - what type of person does that, allows that, or watches that?
Not only should Vick be indicted, but absolutely every person who watched these spectacle should be indicted also.
Jill has the right idea!
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07-18-2007, 03:23 PM
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The whole Vick family has put themselves into the hot spot the past few years.
I don't know what the deal is with them!
Cockfights are still legal in some states, how sad.
Anything having to do with animal cruelty just makes my stomach turn and my heart hurt. I saw this video on youtube once where some lady was stepping on puppies with heels, I got about 30 seconds into it before I had to x it out. I later found out it was fake, but that didn't stop me from getting angry/sick at the time.
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07-18-2007, 03:33 PM
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I don't mean to get off topic......but Tom Earp just said that he fought bulls in Baja Mexico. No offense at all.........but that is one of the most hilarious mental images I have been fortunate to have in quite some time. Earple......please tell me you were hammered runk.
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07-18-2007, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25
I don't mean to get off topic......but Tom Earp just said that he fought bulls in Baja Mexico. No offense at all.........but that is one of the most hilarious mental images I have been fortunate to have in quite some time. Earple......please tell me you were hammered runk.
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Yeah, I saw that too. I'd love to read about it in standard prose. Mr. Earp, are you up for it?
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07-20-2007, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25
I don't mean to get off topic......but Tom Earp just said that he fought bulls in Baja Mexico. No offense at all.........but that is one of the most hilarious mental images I have been fortunate to have in quite some time. Earple......please tell me you were hammered runk.
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Not hammered drunk. But after Lobster tails and steak with a little wine (Do not drink the water), and watching others do it, I took a dare.
Hell, could have gotten killed!  
But, I can say I did it, not very well but was there! 
Now, it would be hard for Bulls to be bred to get in a pit and fight each other.
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07-20-2007, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Earp
Not hammered drunk. But after Lobster tails and steak with a little wine (Do not drink the water), and watching others do it, I took a dare.
Hell, could have gotten killed!
But, I can say I did it, not very well but was there!
Now, it would be hard for Bulls to be bred to get in a pit and fight each other. |
Hell yes.
"Well I did this and this and this........"
"Oh yeah?? Well I FOUGHT A BULL in Mexico. Good day sir."
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07-18-2007, 08:10 PM
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The whole Vick family has put themselves into the hot spot the past few years.
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Who thought a couple years ago that Marcus would be the classier of the two? Not me.
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07-18-2007, 08:25 PM
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Who thought a couple years ago that Marcus would be the classier of the two? Not me.
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I think both brothers leave a lot to be desired...
Michael's court date is also the opening day of Atlanta training camp. I would think that the NFL has no choice but to suspend him.
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