"The Dreaded Phone Call"

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

And the advantage of such a specific rules is that you'd hope the chapter would make sure they had a "good" reason, I guess.

Is that right, DGDramaDawg?

I would guess that some chapters might be less likely to cut a girl if they knew they'd have to make that phone call. Then again, this goes back to the fact that the chapter isn't under obligation to tell the alum WHY (at least, I don't know of any sororities that have policies that require chapters to release that information, but maybe I'm wrong?)... so reasoning behind cuts wouldn't need to be any better or worse, so to speak, than if the rushee was not a legacy and they didn't have to make "the call."

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by dgdramadawg

I would guess that some chapters might be less likely to cut a girl if they knew they'd have to make that phone call. Then again, this goes back to the fact that the chapter isn't under obligation to tell the alum WHY (at least, I don't know of any sororities that have policies that require chapters to release that information, but maybe I'm wrong?)... so reasoning behind cuts wouldn't need to be any better or worse, so to speak, than if the rushee was not a legacy and they didn't have to make "the call."

Oh, I misunderstood your early post. I thought there were groups who had to say why as per their policy.

[honeychile]

Okay, I want to play the devil's advocate here. Our chapter policy (I don't have the advisor's guide here to see if it's an international one or not) has always been to notify anyone who has sent a rec for a legacy of her status if she's dropped (or given a bid, or went to another GLO).

Let's say that Pam PNM is a direct legacy to Alpha Chapter. She has perfect grades, perfect activities, everything you could ask for in a PNM. Alpha Chapter strings her along to one of the last parties, then after a tirade by an active sister, cuts her. Every other GLO has released Pam for being such a sure-fire legacy, so she is now completely out of choices.

Do you think her mother/grandmother/greatgrandmother deserves a call?

What if a sister breaks ranks and tells Pam why she was cut?

Do you think Pam's adult enough emotionally to handle this by talking to the stranger assigned to her as a rush counselor?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Okay, I want to play the devil's advocate here. Our chapter policy (I don't have the advisor's guide here to see if it's an international one or not) has always been to notify anyone who has sent a rec for a legacy of her status if she's dropped (or given a bid, or went to another GLO).

Let's say that Pam PNM is a direct legacy to Alpha Chapter. She has perfect grades, perfect activities, everything you could ask for in a PNM. Alpha Chapter strings her along to one of the last parties, then after a tirade by an active sister, cuts her. Every other GLO has released Pam for being such a sure-fire legacy, so she is now completely out of choices.

Do you think her mother/grandmother/greatgrandmother deserves a call?

What if a sister breaks ranks and tells Pam why she was cut?

Do you think Pam's adult enough emotionally to handle this by talking to the stranger assigned to her as a rush counselor?

I think Alpha Chapter might get some interesting feedback from the GLO after recruitment.

I think her family member deserves a call. I don't know that it really does anyone any good for Pam to know why she was cut, and I think the member should be reprimanded for violating the secrecy of MS if she actually told Pam (as opposed to telling the mom if the policy allows it). And although I think Pan is probably adult enough to handle talking to her rush counselor, she probably will really want to talk to her mom more. And under the circumstances, I think that's okay.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Okay, I want to play the devil's advocate here. Our chapter policy (I don't have the advisor's guide here to see if it's an international one or not) has always been to notify anyone who has sent a rec for a legacy of her status if she's dropped (or given a bid, or went to another GLO).

Let's say that Pam PNM is a direct legacy to Alpha Chapter. She has perfect grades, perfect activities, everything you could ask for in a PNM. Alpha Chapter strings her along to one of the last parties, then after a tirade by an active sister, cuts her. Every other GLO has released Pam for being such a sure-fire legacy, so she is now completely out of choices.

Do you think her mother/grandmother/greatgrandmother deserves a call?

What if a sister breaks ranks and tells Pam why she was cut?

Do you think Pam's adult enough emotionally to handle this by talking to the stranger assigned to her as a rush counselor?

Quite frankly, that chapter sounds like such a bunch of a-holes that I think the last thing they're going to worry about is how Pam or her mom/grandma etc feels.

[KappaKittyCat]

All I know is that Kappa doesn't notify those who recommended legacies if a cut occurs. We can tell all those who sent recs where the PNM pledged, if at all, but only after Bid Day.

I can understand why alumnae would want the call if their daughters were released. However, I cannot see the conversation not going to the "why" territory at best or disintegrating into an argument at worst. Having a non-notification policy just keeps it from even going there.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Quite frankly, that chapter sounds like such a bunch of a-holes that I think the last thing they're going to worry about is how Pam or her mom/grandma etc feels.

Agreed. I also feel that the reason NEEDS to stay in chapter, and not broadcast among even the newly-bid.

[UGAalum94]

Can we do a GLO roll call of which groups require legacy release calls and which don't? (I think most legacy policies are available publicly, which leads me to believe they won't be considered MS in themselves.) I'm just curious because I thought it was nearly universal, but I'm way wrong.

My understanding is that Alpha Gamma Delta does.

Base on this thread, Gamma Phi Beta does not.
Phi Mu does not
Kappa does not

[Ocalagirl]

I know Alpha Xi Delta does and this is from their national website.

If the chapter has received a reference on a legacy, and that legacy is released, the mother, grandmother or sister is called and told of the decision.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Agreed. I also feel that the reason NEEDS to stay in chapter, and not broadcast among even the newly-bid.

Is SK so unique in its rule that what happens in the room stays in the room? I know that actives get told about MS if they're not there (even though they're not supposed to be, it just happens.) But telling NMs about MS? No way in hell.

ETA: SK does notify, or we did as of several years ago.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Is SK so unique in its rule that what happens in the room stays in the room? I know that actives get told about MS if they're not there (even though they're not supposed to be, it just happens.) But telling NMs about MS? No way in hell.

ETA: SK does notify, or we did as of several years ago.

It's not supposed to happen, but it occasionally does, either by mistaking or out of anger.

[UGAalum94]

I bet everyone has the rule about MS in terms of not revealing discussion or rankings, but I guess some people just don't care.

I can remember that it was hard not to follow up on MS conversations in the house when it was only members who had participated in MS around. It really seemed rigid that you were supposed to just have it occur in isolation. But it's probably great practice for when the NMs show up, so you don't say anything in front of them. And as much as MS always made me want to quit, it was probably better that we didn't keep fussing about it.

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

Oh, I misunderstood your early post. I thought there were groups who had to say why as per their policy.

I think I quoted the wrong post earlier, meaning to quote a post that questioned why an alum should be contacted at all.