Too fat to recruit: or, DePauw, the Sequel

[BlueNYC2]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna

I'll be brutal (yes, I'm overweight, but I'm old)...overweight young women need to realize that they could hurt the chapter as much as help it. This is not to say they cannot be important members with much to contribute. But as a wise national officer once said, in recruitment, first impressions are EVERYTHING. If this young lady can be mature about it, she can tell them that she understands, and offer to do something helpful behind the scenes during recruitment, or at least during the preparation week. Doesn't she want her chapter to survive?

wtf??? see this right here is some hot bullshit!!! behind the scenes???? wtf!!! see thats the difference between nphc sororities & npc org. nphc doesnt worry about the make up of the sorors, its all about the character of them, and what they are doing for the chapter, sorority, & community. hell, some of these supposed "fat" members of the npc orgs actually are good sisters and can be a valuable part of your respectives orgs, and not just behind the scenes, as you so put it.


and another thing...wit the numbers issue, what do ya'll consider a small chapter? and how is it that ya nationals is telling you to get more members??? shit i know chapters that would love to have just 5 pplz in it, let alone 20+. i mean, i'm Phi Beta Sigma man, so i'm used to seeing chapters with small numbers, like 1 or 2 pplz in there, and sometimes none for a few years. Only chapters that really have any type of numbers(20+) are grad chapters, and a few undergrad chapters here and there.

[cuteASAbug]

The definition of a small chapter is based on total at that school. For instance, a chapter with only 15 girls, at a school where total is 18, isn't small. However, a 50 girl chapter at a school where total is 100, is a small chapter.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

wtf??? see this right here is some hot bullshit!!! behind the scenes???? wtf!!! see thats the difference between nphc sororities & npc org. nphc doesnt worry about the make up of the sorors, its all about the character of them, and what they are doing for the chapter, sorority, & community. hell, some of these supposed "fat" members of the npc orgs actually are good sisters and can be a valuable part of your respectives orgs, and not just behind the scenes, as you so put it.


and another thing...wit the numbers issue, what do ya'll consider a small chapter? and how is it that ya nationals is telling you to get more members??? shit i know chapters that would love to have just 5 pplz in it, let alone 20+. i mean, i'm Phi Beta Sigma man, so i'm used to seeing chapters with small numbers, like 1 or 2 pplz in there, and sometimes none for a few years. Only chapters that really have any type of numbers(20+) are grad chapters, and a few undergrad chapters here and there.

This isn't a bash NPC orgs thread. Also, I have met people from NPHC orgs who talk about who are the only members who get in because of who their parents are, so superficiality is NOT just limited to NPC.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

wtf??? see this right here is some hot bullshit!!! behind the scenes???? wtf!!! see thats the difference between nphc sororities & npc org. nphc doesnt worry about the make up of the sorors, its all about the character of them, and what they are doing for the chapter, sorority, & community. hell, some of these supposed "fat" members of the npc orgs actually are good sisters and can be a valuable part of your respectives orgs, and not just behind the scenes, as you so put it.


and another thing...wit the numbers issue, what do ya'll consider a small chapter? and how is it that ya nationals is telling you to get more members??? shit i know chapters that would love to have just 5 pplz in it, let alone 20+. i mean, i'm Phi Beta Sigma man, so i'm used to seeing chapters with small numbers, like 1 or 2 pplz in there, and sometimes none for a few years. Only chapters that really have any type of numbers(20+) are grad chapters, and a few undergrad chapters here and there.

A lot of the issues come in with the difference with intake and recruitment. In NPC, it's all based on the groups trying to end up with the same number of new members, and groups that don't kind of look bad. Over time, if you're a lot smaller than the other groups, it looks like it's because the group is undesirable rather than selective.

Not all NPC chapters, even in the same national GLOs, do this kind of stuff, but some of the recruitments are really image driven.

It seems to me I remember people repeating rumors about historically there being a "brown paper bag test" for early membership in some NPHC groups. I'm not saying it was ever true, but I think it points out that image can be (or maybe was) an NPHC issue too.

[BlueNYC2]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

This isn't a bash NPC orgs thread. Also, I have met people from NPHC orgs who talk about who are the only members who get in because of who their parents are, so superficiality is NOT just limited to NPC.

Man...if they was Made, that legacy shit dont mean a damn thing...just cuz you're legacy, you still got to go thru your process, which dont make it any easier.

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

A lot of the issues come in with the difference with intake and recruitment. In NPC, it's all based on the groups trying to end up with the same number of new members, and groups that don't kind of look bad. Over time, if you're a lot smaller than the other groups, it looks like it's because the group is undesirable rather than selective.

Not all NPC chapters, even in the same national GLOs, do this kind of stuff, but some of the recruitments are really image driven.

It seems to me I remember people repeating rumors about historically there being a "brown paper bag test" for early membership in some NPHC groups. I'm not saying it was ever true, but I think it points out that image can be (or maybe was) an NPHC issue too.

as far as the brown paper bag test...yes its true. well not my org, but there is one in particular, but its an ugly part of history, and one that was corrected decades ago. i mean we got certain stereotypes in the nphc for each individual org, but only a fool would actually base a decision off of that. and i still dont see the point in numbers....i'll take QUALITY over quantity anyday. but thats just me. if it just so happens that there are 20+ quality individuals in a particular chapter, thats wats up, if not, then thats a waste. but i'm lookin @ it from the outsiders perspective...ya'll do what ya'll do tho...i wouldnt...

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

Man...if they was Made, that legacy shit dont mean a damn thing...just cuz you're legacy, you still got to go thru your process, which dont make it any easier.



as far as the brown paper bag test...yes its true. well not my org, but there is one in particular, but its an ugly part of history, and one that was corrected decades ago. i mean we got certain stereotypes in the nphc for each individual org, but only a fool would actually base a decision off of that. and i still dont see the point in numbers....i'll take QUALITY over quantity anyday. but thats just me. if it just so happens that there are 20+ quality individuals in a particular chapter, thats wats up, if not, then thats a waste. but i'm lookin @ it from the outsiders perspective...ya'll do what ya'll do tho...i wouldnt...

There are people who say that these same practices, called colorism, are NOT practices of the past, and that they still occur today. So, just like there is ridiculous superficial behavior in NPC, so, too, is there such behavior in NPHC. Wherever we go, we are going to encounter STUPID people like that--it's just a fact of life. It's horrible, but it's the way it is. However, that doesn't mean we have to just sit back and take it, which is why so many of us on this thread completely disagree with the concept of hiding members to get more PNMs. Also, many organizations in the NPC feel the same way about numbers. Again, we have no idea what sorority this was or whether or not it was even true. All we know is that the practice of singling out sisters to intake more members is asinine.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

as far as the brown paper bag test...yes its true. well not my org, but there is one in particular, but its an ugly part of history, and one that was corrected decades ago. i mean we got certain stereotypes in the nphc for each individual org, but only a fool would actually base a decision off of that. and i still dont see the point in numbers....i'll take QUALITY over quantity anyday. but thats just me. if it just so happens that there are 20+ quality individuals in a particular chapter, thats wats up, if not, then thats a waste. but i'm lookin @ it from the outsiders perspective...ya'll do what ya'll do tho...i wouldnt...

Well, if hundreds (in some cases more than 1,000) of young women expressed interest in joining a group each year, but one group only attracted a few, some people might start wondering if the problem was the quality of the people showing interest or the quality of the people in the group. You know what I mean?

But please remember that not all chapters do this.

It's also really important to keep in mind that although people who have already joined can be involved life long in a PNC group, most people looking to join right out of high school don't look at it that way; they're more likely to be thinking it will be fun to have new friends and go to parties. So it's probably a more superficial process to that of NPHC groups generally.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Also, many organizations in the NPC feel the same way about numbers.

Uh, Kathy, I'm going need for you to name the NPC groups that approach numbers like the NPHC.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

It's also really important to keep in mind that although people who have already joined can be involved life long in a PNC group, most people looking to join right out of high school don't look at it that way; they're more likely to be thinking it will be fun to have new friends and go to parties. So it's probably a more superficial process to that of NPHC groups generally.

I know many members of NPC sororities that would take serious offense to that statement, that their recruitment is a "superficial process," particularly members of Sigma Delta Tau, which was founded in order to combat religious discrimination in other organizations.

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

Uh, Kathy, I'm going need for you to name the NPC groups that approach numbers like the NPHC.

I said they feel the same way, meaning that numbers aren't necessarily the MOST important aspect of the sisterhood. If you notice, NPC chapters are not fighting over which organization is the largest--it is generally agreed upon that Chi Omega is. Not all NPC sororities are grappling for numbers all the time, as opposed to focusing on quality.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

wtf??? see this right here is some hot bullshit!!! behind the scenes???? wtf!!! see thats the difference between nphc sororities & npc org. nphc doesnt worry about the make up of the sorors, its all about the character of them, and what they are doing for the chapter, sorority, & community. hell, some of these supposed "fat" members of the npc orgs actually are good sisters and can be a valuable part of your respectives orgs, and not just behind the scenes, as you so put it.


and another thing...wit the numbers issue, what do ya'll consider a small chapter? and how is it that ya nationals is telling you to get more members??? shit i know chapters that would love to have just 5 pplz in it, let alone 20+. i mean, i'm Phi Beta Sigma man, so i'm used to seeing chapters with small numbers, like 1 or 2 pplz in there, and sometimes none for a few years. Only chapters that really have any type of numbers(20+) are grad chapters, and a few undergrad chapters here and there.

Would you put a brother who had no rhythm on the step team?

Probably not.

[If it's not called a step team, I apologize for my ignorance. I'm doing the best I can. Hopefully you know what I mean.]

[33girl]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I said they feel the same way, meaning that numbers aren't necessarily the MOST important aspect of the sisterhood. If you notice, NPC chapters are not fighting over which organization is the largest--it is generally agreed upon that Chi Omega is. Not all NPC sororities are grappling for numbers all the time, as opposed to focusing on quality.

OK, I'm really confused. Largest org has nothing to do with this thread. BTW, if you think NPC groups DON'T debate that, I'd advise you to search for threads on here that definitely prove otherwise.

Like alphagamuga, I'd like to know the names of the NPC groups who don't care about attaining quota and total.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Quality over quantity is just an excuse for poor recruitment. Your chapter can have both if everyone works for it.

Thank you.

If a chapter doesn't pledge quota it means they've gone to the bottom of their bid list, which usually doesn't include all "quality" women.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

If you notice, NPC chapters are not fighting over which organization is the largest--it is generally agreed upon that Chi Omega is.

True.

If you look at the number of open, active, collegiate chapters, Chi Omega is largest with 171. (DZ is 2nd, I think)

If you look at the largest number of initiated members since its founding, Chi Omega is largest with 300,000+

[33girl]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

Thank you.

If a chapter doesn't pledge quota it means they've gone to the bottom of their bid list, which usually doesn't include all "quality" women.

Or it means that the pool of girls going through rush just...sucked. I know this isn't usually the case in the SEC, but it can definitely happen at small schools. Not that there aren't great girls at those schools that would join a sorority, they just don't care for the phoniness of formal rush or know they're only interested in one group and would prefer to join through COB. But seriously, if you only have like 50 girls show up for rush, it's entirely possible that you would rather not pledge quota than take some of the girls who are rushing.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by 33girl

But seriously, if you only have like 50 girls show up for rush, it's entirely possible that you would rather not pledge quota than take some of the girls who are rushing.

Agreed. I'm thinking of campuses (all over the country, mind you) with more than 50 PNMs.