Male "Sorority" Controversy at Tennessee State

[pinkies up]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Interesting blog I stumbled upon about transgender members of sororities...

http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2007/...-ready-to.html

Wow. This is too much for me to digest. Personally, I feel that my sorority is for women who were born women. I don't have a problem with someone changing their sex, but why not come up with your own sorority. I say this because I cannot call someone my Soror if they are really my "frat".

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by pinkies up

Wow. This is too much for me to digest. Personally, I feel that my sorority is for women who were born women. I don't have a problem with someone changing their sex, but why not come up with your own sorority. I say this because I cannot call someone my Soror if they are really my "frat".

It raises some interesting questions! I personally feel the same way.

[OneTimeSBX]

wow @ above transgender link.

it is hard to be open-armed and welcoming, and exclusive at the same time. someone, somewhere gets their feelings hurt. the thing most people dont realize is transgendered people are often not gay. their bodies develop as the opposite sex as their hormones tell them they are. they truly dont feel like "themselves" until their operations are complete.

i would hope that, one day, a D9 org or any other GLO for that matter could welcome people in that situation. there is no telling how much good they could do our communities and orgs.

[Ilaria Ame]

Originally Posted by pinkies up

Wow. This is too much for me to digest. Personally, I feel that my sorority is for women who were born women. I don't have a problem with someone changing their sex, but why not come up with your own sorority. I say this because I cannot call someone my Soror if they are really my "frat".

i don't like the idea of men who had sex change operations because they are "women at heart" (read: gay) joining my org, but i don't personally have a problem with true transgender women who were just "born with something extra" joining at all. although we've never had such a women seek membership...

[OneTimeSBX]

Originally Posted by Ilaria Ame

i don't like the idea of men who had sex change operations because they are "women at heart" (read: gay) joining my org, but i don't personally have a problem with true transgender women who were just "born with something extra" joining at all. although we've never had such a women seek membership...

i totally agree. i think i was at one point naive and thought that crossdressers/transgendered people were all gay. it wasnt until i saw a study on the human brain that showed the surprising similarities that females and transgendered males have in common. it was almost like taking a womans brain and putting it into a male. i still can consider you a female/soror/sister, after your brain matches your body.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Ilaria Ame

"women at heart" (read: gay)

Transgender and transsexual aren't the same thing as being homosexual.

It's the distinction between sex, gender, and sexual orientation.

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Sororities need to specify that your birth sex has to be female. This will prevent men whose GENDER (which is social versus "sex" which is biological) is female from attempting to join. It may also prevent hermaphrodites if the sex is ambiguous.

[DSTCHAOS]

I watched a show on transsexual and transgenderism last night.

Very interesting and it fits into what the gender and sexuality literature discuss.

I was reminded of the two transgender "women" I met a few months ago. They were obviously born men and had just begun female hormones. I was waiting for one of them to say that "she" wanted to be a Delta.

[OneTimeSBX]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Sororities need to specify that your birth sex has to be female. This will prevent men whose GENDER (which is social versus "sex" which is biological) is female from attempting to join. It may also prevent hermaphrodites if the sex is ambiguous.

yes, if that is the way it is going to be, it needs to be specified. once you get your surgeries, DMV will let you change your gender on your license. specifying birth gender will solve that...but it also brings to light the fact that there are women who are born women, but their sex is male!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

yes, if that is the way it is going to be, it needs to be specified. once you get your surgeries, DMV will let you change your gender on your license. specifying birth gender will solve that...but it also brings to light the fact that there are women who are born women, but their sex is male!

You mean men who were born female? True so the specification would be "sex: female and gender: woman."

Then we'd have to worry about whether people are disclosing their full medical history. We don't require medical histories for applicants so we would have to trust that people are honest.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Sororities need to specify that your birth sex has to be female. This will prevent men whose GENDER (which is social versus "sex" which is biological) is female from attempting to join. It may also prevent hermaphrodites if the sex is ambiguous.

Would we then expell those who may already be members?

[OneTimeSBX]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Would we then expell those who may already be members?

i was thinking the same thing...i can't believe there isnt a single transgendered person in any of the GLO's. there may not be many, but there have got to be some out of the millions of greeks!

[Senusret I]

I went on a date with this Sigma who claims his line brother became a woman.

And no, I didn't ask him if his LB then automatically became a Zeta, but you know I was thinking it real hard.

[nonchalant]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I went on a date with this Sigma who claims his line brother became a woman.

And no, I didn't ask him if his LB then automatically became a Zeta, but you know I was thinking it real hard.

You are too much.**Knowing I'm wondering the same thing**

[pinkies up]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I went on a date with this Sigma who claims his line brother became a woman.

And no, I didn't ask him if his LB then automatically became a Zeta, but you know I was thinking it real hard.

I was just about to ask that...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Would we then expell those who may already be members?

Yes.