How does your school handle bidless PNMs on bid day?

lauralaylin · #1 05-27-2007, 08:42 AM

At a school I volunteered at, if a pnm was completely cut by all the sororities, she went back to the ones she liked the most. If she was completely cut again, the same was true. So she basically was able to choose where she ended up. One year we were going to get stuck with someone that was NOT a good fit with the chapter, but because she was so rude to another group, the GA actually didn't honor the guaranteed placement in her case, so we lucked out. So being rude doesn't always work.

AlphaFrog · #2 05-27-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lauralaylin

At a school I volunteered at, if a pnm was completely cut by all the sororities, she went back to the ones she liked the most. If she was completely cut again, the same was true. So she basically was able to choose where she ended up. One year we were going to get stuck with someone that was NOT a good fit with the chapter, but because she was so rude to another group, the GA actually didn't honor the guaranteed placement in her case, so we lucked out. So being rude doesn't always work.

So much for membership selection if the PNMs get to keep going back, even after they're cut.

ForeverRoses · #3 05-31-2007, 03:41 PM

That is insane! So a girl could "be not quite rude" to certain groups to get purposely cut, then go back to the "popular" groups that dropped her? AND she would get a bid? talk about a crazy system.
Mutual selection is supposed to be, MUTUAL-not we are shoving this PNM down your throat because she really wants you.

PenguinTrax · #4 05-31-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lauralaylin

At a school I volunteered at, if a pnm was completely cut by all the sororities, she went back to the ones she liked the most. If she was completely cut again, the same was true. So she basically was able to choose where she ended up. One year we were going to get stuck with someone that was NOT a good fit with the chapter, but because she was so rude to another group, the GA actually didn't honor the guaranteed placement in her case, so we lucked out. So being rude doesn't always work.

This is so wrong....cut is cut.

ISUKappa · #5 05-31-2007, 04:46 PM

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This is so wrong....cut is cut.

No kidding. This isn't kindergarten T-ball where everyone gets a participation ribbon and a pat on the head, this is Collegiate Sorority Recruitment. Sheesh.

IBME that chapter members do not know where a PNM is placed on the bid list. So I don't know if intentionally putting Sally PNM at the bottom of the list to guarantee a QA would work.

I *have* heard of chapters dirty rushing by telling PNMs to drop out of recruitment and go through informal and they would be given a bid to XYZ that way.

carnation · #6 05-31-2007, 05:21 PM

In the nineties, I talked with a Pi Phi at a private college that had a quota much higher than the number of PNMs rushing would suggest. Three sororities there had folded, while 6 were still around. The Pi Phi told me that the huge quotas were due to the college president's mandate because he wanted all the PNMs to be happy...I don't know if this included ruling that any girl could get a bid where she wanted but it seemed to stop just short of it.

PenguinTrax · #7 06-01-2007, 01:31 PM

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In the nineties, I talked with a Pi Phi at a private college that had a quota much higher than the number of PNMs rushing would suggest. Three sororities there had folded, while 6 were still around. The Pi Phi told me that the huge quotas were due to the college president's mandate because he wanted all the PNMs to be happy...I don't know if this included ruling that any girl could get a bid where she wanted but it seemed to stop just short of it.

Even at FSU where they guarantee placement if you complete Recruitment, cut is cut. Quota is set before Pref...things usually work out swimmingly.

DeltaBetaBaby · #8 06-01-2007, 07:21 PM

I think that the Greek Advisor should call each chapter's advisor and say "hey, suzie PNM was cut from all chapters, would you like to invite her back as a freebie?" as long as each chapter can then say no.

Some chapters have to make tough choices because of release figures, but that is really different from actually not wanting her. At least in a large recruitment, some women just slip through the cracks. I remember this happening to about 1% of PNM's at my school, and it was just bad luck.

KSUViolet06 · #9 05-31-2007, 08:24 PM

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I *have* heard of chapters dirty rushing by telling PNMs to drop out of recruitment and go through informal and they would be given a bid to XYZ that way.

This was a HUGE problem on my campus. Certain chapters would tell girls to drop out and go through informal. The Rho Chi's had to have an emergency meeting about it last year because HALF of their groups were saying "I'm dropping out and going XY through informal."

Of course they couldn't twist their arms and make them stay. So these girls would drop out, thinking that come next week, they'd be XY's. Wrong. XY would fill quota plus and hit total. All those girls who were told that they should come to informal were devastated because XY was totally full and there wasn't going to be any informal (except for a few spots in the spring).

DeltaBetaBaby · #10 05-31-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ISUKappa

IBME that chapter members do not know where a PNM is placed on the bid list. So I don't know if intentionally putting Sally PNM at the bottom of the list to guarantee a QA would work.

It would not, because you don't know where she is on anyone else's bid list.

carnation · #11 06-02-2011, 09:05 AM

bump!

susan314 · #12 05-31-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lauralaylin

At a school I volunteered at, if a pnm was completely cut by all the sororities, she went back to the ones she liked the most. If she was completely cut again, the same was true. So she basically was able to choose where she ended up. One year we were going to get stuck with someone that was NOT a good fit with the chapter, but because she was so rude to another group, the GA actually didn't honor the guaranteed placement in her case, so we lucked out. So being rude doesn't always work.

That's horrible! I'm surprised that the advisors/national reps from the sororities on campus didn't fight that a little more.

Its one thing to guarantee someone a bid if she gets invited to preference - if a chapter invites you to a pref party, you're likely someone they'd be willing to accept as a member and appear on their bid list somewhere. But its a totally different thing to take away that chapter's right to cut you before preference.

Doesn't seem like that great of a situation for the PNM either - sure, they end up in the chapter they want, but how welcome are you going to feel in a chapter where people resent you b/c they tried to drop you before pref and Panhel forced them to invite you back? I'd be curious to see the retention stats for PNMs who were matched this way - bet a lot of them end up dropping out.

lauralaylin · #13 05-31-2007, 08:24 PM

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That's horrible! I'm surprised that the advisors/national reps from the sororities on campus didn't fight that a little more.

Well, it's not a big Greek campus, but I'm pretty sure that the everyone knows about this on a national level. I don't know the specifics as I didn't really get involved too much with this chapter (I was already advising another one), but I think this is just the way things are here. They also allowed a huge amount of rush violations this past year because there's no GA either and the administration don't care. It's just all screwed up.