Crystal Gail Mangum: Profile of the Duke Rape Accuser

[FSUZeta]

when women make false accusations of rape or abuse it can make it harder for a legitimate victim to be believed. i think that that is a more important subject for women's groups, rape victims rights activists and concerned citizens to concern themselves with.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

when women make false accusations of rape or abuse it can make it harder for a legitimate victim to be believed. i think that that is a more important subject for women's groups, rape victims rights activists and concerned citizens to concern themselves with.

It hasn't been proven that the accusations are false.

It has only been established that there isn't enough evidence to go forward.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

It hasn't been proven that the accusations are false.

It has only been established that there isn't enough evidence to go forward.

While it can be impossible to prove a negative, way too much of this story has fallen through from start to finish. Those guys might have been assholes, but they're not rapists.

If you're innocent until proven guilty, than the accusation should be doubted unless substantiated.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

If you're innocent until proven guilty, than the accusation should be doubted unless substantiated.

Which is a separate argument from someone saying that this is an instance where women's rights and rape victims' rights groups should protest false rape accusations.

[RU OX Alum]

women's rights groups, etc. have to much on their plate to deal with this

people in NC should be pissed that the da or whatever is immune from civil action

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

women's rights groups, etc. have to much on their plate to deal with this

Oh really? Because they didn't have too much on their plate to jump on the back of the story and ride it to Notorietyville, did they?

To me, that's the real problem - there's no need to strike back at the accuser if we don't blow up the (similarly unsubstantiated) accusations in the first place. The Court of Public Opinion, rather than the Court of Law, makes this a problem.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Which is a separate argument from someone saying that this is an instance where women's rights and rape victims' rights groups should protest false rape accusations.

By that standard though, no circumstance is. Every piece of this girl's story has fallen through or changed multiple times. When IS the proper instance for victim's rights groups to protest false accusations except when accusations appear to be false?

I mean I can't think of anytime when one can be 100% certain that the woman lied unless she admits it herself.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

By that standard though, no circumstance is. Every piece of this girl's story has fallen through or changed multiple times. When IS the proper instance for victim's rights groups to protest false accusations except when accusations appear to be false?

I mean I can't think of anytime when one can be 100% certain that the woman lied unless she admits it herself.

There are cases where the accusations are proven to be false. However that proof is provided, that has not happened in this case.

News article profiles of the accuser are only journalism until the legal realm takes hold of the information and goes after the accuser for false accusations. When the legal realm is successful in that endeavor, then this case can be used as an instance of false accusations.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

There are cases where the accusations are proven to be false. However that proof is provided, that has not happened in this case.

News article profiles of the accuser are only journalism until the legal realm takes hold of the information and goes after the accuser for false accusations. When the legal realm is successful in that endeavor, then this case can be used as an instance of false accusations.

I disagree (though I'm not really talking about the profiles of the accuser).

I'm not sure why it only merits that sort of attention when someone legally pursues the matter. What if nothing criminal happens, but there is a civil suit? A positive judgement in a civil case wouldn't prove that the accusations were false as the burden of proof is different. Take OJ and his criminal vs. civil cases. (w/o completely opening that can'o'worms)

This is indeed only journalism, but I don't agree that activism should particularly. be avoided here.

And can you give me some examples of these cases? Because I don't see many courts proving accusations false, just determining that there is no evidence the accusation is true.

[FSUZeta]

i believe that the north carolina attorney general pronounced the three young men innocent in his statement yesterday.

and i did not say that womens groups, etc. should protest, only that they and we should be concerned that women making false accusations could make it harder for a real victim to have her story believed.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

they and we should be concerned that women making false accusations could make it harder for a real victim to have her story believed.

But that's always been a concern.

[shinerbock]

I don't really care what happens to the girl, she's obviously got issues that won't be aided by us going after her. If there is solid grounds for a charge against her, sure, but otherwise I'm not really concerned.

I would like to have a societal discussion about those who were all to eager to nail some rich white kids to the wall, however. It appears white privilege didn't work out overly well in this instance.