Crystal Gail Mangum: Profile of the Duke Rape Accuser

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

If you're innocent until proven guilty, than the accusation should be doubted unless substantiated.

Which is a separate argument from someone saying that this is an instance where women's rights and rape victims' rights groups should protest false rape accusations.

[RU OX Alum]

women's rights groups, etc. have to much on their plate to deal with this

people in NC should be pissed that the da or whatever is immune from civil action

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

women's rights groups, etc. have to much on their plate to deal with this

Oh really? Because they didn't have too much on their plate to jump on the back of the story and ride it to Notorietyville, did they?

To me, that's the real problem - there's no need to strike back at the accuser if we don't blow up the (similarly unsubstantiated) accusations in the first place. The Court of Public Opinion, rather than the Court of Law, makes this a problem.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Which is a separate argument from someone saying that this is an instance where women's rights and rape victims' rights groups should protest false rape accusations.

By that standard though, no circumstance is. Every piece of this girl's story has fallen through or changed multiple times. When IS the proper instance for victim's rights groups to protest false accusations except when accusations appear to be false?

I mean I can't think of anytime when one can be 100% certain that the woman lied unless she admits it herself.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

By that standard though, no circumstance is. Every piece of this girl's story has fallen through or changed multiple times. When IS the proper instance for victim's rights groups to protest false accusations except when accusations appear to be false?

I mean I can't think of anytime when one can be 100% certain that the woman lied unless she admits it herself.

There are cases where the accusations are proven to be false. However that proof is provided, that has not happened in this case.

News article profiles of the accuser are only journalism until the legal realm takes hold of the information and goes after the accuser for false accusations. When the legal realm is successful in that endeavor, then this case can be used as an instance of false accusations.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

There are cases where the accusations are proven to be false. However that proof is provided, that has not happened in this case.

News article profiles of the accuser are only journalism until the legal realm takes hold of the information and goes after the accuser for false accusations. When the legal realm is successful in that endeavor, then this case can be used as an instance of false accusations.

I disagree (though I'm not really talking about the profiles of the accuser).

I'm not sure why it only merits that sort of attention when someone legally pursues the matter. What if nothing criminal happens, but there is a civil suit? A positive judgement in a civil case wouldn't prove that the accusations were false as the burden of proof is different. Take OJ and his criminal vs. civil cases. (w/o completely opening that can'o'worms)

This is indeed only journalism, but I don't agree that activism should particularly. be avoided here.

And can you give me some examples of these cases? Because I don't see many courts proving accusations false, just determining that there is no evidence the accusation is true.