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Old 04-08-2007, 11:10 PM
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Hey, I'm sorry you are going through this. It's probably really stressful for your family. I think if I were your mom, it might be time to explain what the rules about living in her house are to Breeze. He's setting a pretty bad example for your little brother, and he may not need to stay with you all. If she's not up to that or it's just not in her to put conditions on sheltering her children, then maybe you can explain it to Breeze.

Stealing is not okay, even if it's from your own family. And no offense, but it seems like he's going to be in really serious trouble soon anyway. Best to get him away from your little brother and the rest of your family who are working hard and are successful or on track to be successful.

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Old 04-09-2007, 12:12 AM
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My mother's best friend just went though this a few years ago. Her son was on drugs and stealing things from her house while he lived there, as were the friends he had around when she was at work. He is now in a rehab and doing great. Just to get by she went out and bought a small safe, she put her purse in the safe when she was home and locked it. She also put a key lock on her bedroom door for when she was gone. I am sure it sounded mean to others, but she had to protect some of the most important things.

As to Alphagamuga I totally agree your mom should sit Breeze down and explain the rules. I just hope it sticks! In the meantime I would look into a good lock on your door just in case.
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Old 04-09-2007, 10:31 AM
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breeze needs counceling

don't give up on your brother
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Old 04-09-2007, 10:38 AM
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This all depends on your neighborhood (I live sort of "in the country") - but have you tried locking your cash in the glovebox of your car? That way, it's there when you need it, but you don't have to worry about anyone taking it.
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Old 04-09-2007, 06:42 PM
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He needs to be gone!

Confront Him and see waht He says.

If He pulls the same trigger then=

Dump him!

If he will not work it out then let him be gone!

Who ends up feeling the worse?
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Old 04-13-2007, 03:53 PM
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This topic happened to come up in one of my counseling classes the other night. We were talking about ODD (oppositional Defiant Disorder) and the far reaching effects. This type of behavior is one of the "symptoms" of ODD (not that i'm saying that Breeze has ODD but its just a symptom). Essentially its for attention that he does what he does, no matter if its negative or positive attention. My teacher was talking about CD (conduct disorder) and how kids will push and push and push to get you to hit them, because they WANT to be hit, because it makes them feel more alive and that is attention to them. (again, not that Breeze has CD because I definately do not think that he does- that is a much higher form of ODD)
but it might be worth checking and researching ODD because that might provide some insight into your situation.
I hope that helps... PM me if you want, I can ask my teacher about it more, but I personally don't know too much about it)
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Old 04-13-2007, 06:11 PM
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This topic happened to come up in one of my counseling classes the other night. We were talking about ODD (oppositional Defiant Disorder) and the far reaching effects. This type of behavior is one of the "symptoms" of ODD (not that i'm saying that Breeze has ODD but its just a symptom). Essentially its for attention that he does what he does, no matter if its negative or positive attention. My teacher was talking about CD (conduct disorder) and how kids will push and push and push to get you to hit them, because they WANT to be hit, because it makes them feel more alive and that is attention to them. (again, not that Breeze has CD because I definately do not think that he does- that is a much higher form of ODD)
but it might be worth checking and researching ODD because that might provide some insight into your situation.
I hope that helps... PM me if you want, I can ask my teacher about it more, but I personally don't know too much about it)
Do you really believe that ODD exists? What separates a simply bad person from an ODD person?

I think it's a huge mistake for society to approach behavior this way.
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Old 04-13-2007, 09:44 PM
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This topic happened to come up in one of my counseling classes the other night. We were talking about ODD (oppositional Defiant Disorder) and the far reaching effects. This type of behavior is one of the "symptoms" of ODD (not that i'm saying that Breeze has ODD but its just a symptom). Essentially its for attention that he does what he does, no matter if its negative or positive attention.
I am sorry, but this so-called disorder is just one more step down a path that is all about avoiding acceptance that human beings are not perfect and that sometimes the way to love someone is to be tough with them- not blame it on some "disorder" and then allow the behavior to continue.

How might one cure ODD? This story may be a symptom of ODD, but it is also a symptom of someone who is taking advantage of his family- and I think everyone knows the cure for that.

To the original poster- my thoughts in the hopes it helps.

I had a relative go through this and she finally kicked her son out- when he was 47 years old. And she is bitter to this day because she wasted so much of her life having to hide money and otherwise be a prisoner in her own home that she worked all her life to earn.

Each situation is different, but the facts you present suggest that your brother has decided that he can live with his current situation because he is still at home and has no motive to keep a job.

Under the current circumstances, do you think he is going to leave of his own free will if nothing changes? I suspect the answer is no- and so that puts the burden of action on your mother.

It sounds cruel- but the only answer is to throw him out in my opinion.

Now, you indicate that you live at home rent-free and that also has an impact. If you have the right to live at home rent-free, your brother has a reasonable expectation to be extended the same courtesy whether or not any child is entitled to such a thing once reaching 18 years of age.

The theft, assuming it is him, is what pushes it over the edge. This makes it clear that your brother has found his comfort zone in life, but that he cannot achieve it fully without stealing from his own family. In short- he has mapped out his life plan, and it includes stealing from you. How much longer do you want that to last?

And this is where I think you guys have to get tough and force him to leave. Or at the very least, let him live at home only if he works and pays for his own things to the extent you do.

Your mother is generous to let you guys stick around- and you clearly honor that generosity by working and doing right by yourself plus setting a good example for your brothers and sisters. I am willing to bet that you also help out around the house and by your presence make life better for your mother.

It appears your brother does not honor that generosity- and so for everyone's benefit I would suggest he be asked to leave unless he can find a job within a certain time frame or do any other thing (go back to school etc.) that your mother think will earn him a place to sleep rent-free.

That is not an easy thing to do, but I can point you to many examples I have seen first hand- including the one within my own family I mentioned above- where not doing that just made things worse.

If you think your brother is bad off now in the world, imagine my second cousin who at the age of 47 was looking for his first job ever. He got an easy break for 20 years, but he is virtually unemployable now- and having never paid into social security there are few safety nets for him once he reaches 65. He is far worse off than if he had been tossed out on his tail 20 years ago. He does not even have the basic mentality of needing to show up on time to a place of work. There is nothing out there for him.

Hope this helps and good luck to you.

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