Justice in America

macallan25 · #1 02-01-2007, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by amycat412

I don't think any prison time was warrented as both girls in the story seem to have been consensually participating in activities.

Now there is a line where consent becomes null and void if she is too wasted to give consent. But come on. they were all peers, it was a party. none of it IMO was intentionally malicious. Edgy, sure. But so what?

He did not deserve prison time, the branding of being a child molester, and I am disgusted that the GA judicial system has treated him so completely unfairly. It disgusts me, frankly.

So what if the black guy was five or six years older? Do you think a 23 or 24 year old on tape gang banging a bunch of freshmen and sophmores is acceptable behavior?

So you are telling me if you saw your 15 year old daughter on a video giving head and screwing a bunch of guys in a hotel room while chiefing it up and getting wasted.......you would be fine with it?

All of those kids parents should be locked up too.

valkyrie · #2 02-01-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

So you are telling me if you saw your 15 year old daughter on a video giving head and screwing a bunch of guys in a hotel room while chiefing it up and getting wasted.......you would be fine with it?

There's a difference between being "fine" with your 15-year-old daughter screwing a bunch of guys and thinking that one of the guys involved should be in prison because of it. I agree with amycat that, as long as the girl wasn't too drunk to know what she was doing, sending this guy to prison is ridiculous. It shouldn't be a crime, period. It isn't the government's job to protect 15-year-old girls from whoring themselves out.

AlexMack · #3 02-01-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by valkyrie

There's a difference between being "fine" with your 15-year-old daughter screwing a bunch of guys and thinking that one of the guys involved should be in prison because of it. I agree with amycat that, as long as the girl wasn't too drunk to know what she was doing, sending this guy to prison is ridiculous. It shouldn't be a crime, period. It isn't the government's job to protect 15-year-old girls from whoring themselves out.

Exactly...the government tries too hard to be the morality police.

macallan25 · #4 02-01-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by centaur532

Exactly...the government tries too hard to be the morality police.

So what if the girl was 13 or 12......you really don't think the state should step in and try to prevent that kind of behavior? At what point do you draw the line if you think this sort of behavior should be left alone?

valkyrie · #5 02-01-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

So what if the girl was 13 or 12......you really don't think the state should step in and try to prevent that kind of behavior? At what point do you draw the line if you think this sort of behavior should be left alone?

Well, the issue of where to draw the line is up for debate. I don't think anybody would disagree that it should be a crime for a 25 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. However, when you're dealing with teenagers having sex with other teenagers, it's not so clear-cut and I'm not sure where to draw the line -- but it probably should be related to the age difference between the parties more than the age of the parties.

AlphaFrog · #6 02-01-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by valkyrie

it probably should be related to the age difference between the parties more than the age of the parties.

I think some states do have laws to this affect, don't they?

macallan25 · #7 02-01-2007, 02:24 PM

Yes.

amycat412 · #8 02-01-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

So what if the black guy was five or six years older? Do you think a 23 or 24 year old on tape gang banging a bunch of freshmen and sophmores is acceptable behavior?

So you are telling me if you saw your 15 year old daughter on a video giving head and screwing a bunch of guys in a hotel room while chiefing it up and getting wasted.......you would be fine with it?

All of those kids parents should be locked up too.

My interpretation of the events at that party were that it was not rape. the chick who was gang banged consented wasted... fine line comes in then as to whether she was able to consent.. but can debate that forever.

It is ridiculous to persecute peers for having sex. period.

I don't have kids. Would I want my hypothetical daughter doing that? Hell no, of course not. But it is not my decision to make.

The law is ridiculous and made even more so by its uneven application.

And I guess I have never understood how some states consider oral sex more of a crime than penetration.

I guess my point is, at some level, events that night seemed (again, from my reading) to be consensual. Misguided, sure. If is was, perhaps she said yes because she did not know how to say no--this is not that uncommon. But its a bunch of teens getting in trouble. Parents should be involved. Not jail. Oral sex with someone who initiated it and is 15 to your 17 is NOT a jailable offense IMO.

And I do tend to lean towards this being racial on many levels. And that disgusts me.

AOIIBrandi · #9 02-01-2007, 06:32 PM

This case was on the news the other night. They interviewed the prosecutor and some of the jury pool. They all agreed that because of the way the law is written they could not consider the spirit of the law or anything else of that nature. The sentence was 10 years no matter what. All were against the sentence term, but there was nothing they could do short of finding him not-guilty and I guess the jury felt he was guilty of the crime even if the sentence seemed to harsh. It also appears that they are trying to get the legislature to change the law (more than it already has been) and possibly get his sentence reduced or negated.

shinerbock · #10 02-01-2007, 06:36 PM

You guys can talk about being naive all you want, but believe it or not, there are communities where the large majority of people don't act like this. This reminds me of people who scoff at the idea of virgin sorority girls...simply because thats not how it is where you live, doesn't mean thats how it is everywhere.

amycat412 · #11 02-01-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

You guys can talk about being naive all you want, but believe it or not, there are communities where the large majority of people don't act like this. This reminds me of people who scoff at the idea of virgin sorority girls...simply because thats not how it is where you live, doesn't mean thats how it is everywhere.

I don't think anyone is saying this happens every single where. Communities like you describe above do exist and I tend to think are more the norm--even on other levels like the teen with the secret sex life and good girl image.

I was one of the naive ones. No sex in high school for me. I knew friends were, but it just didn't even occur to me that it was an option for me. Wasn't ready and wasn't wild enough then to do somethign i'd regret. thank God.

I jsut don't think anyone at that party, regardless of gender is more to blame than anyone else. there seems to have been a whole group vibe going on and was it stupid and irresponsible? Sure. Was it a jailable offense when the crime he was convicted of was one the "victim" intiated. Tell me, what living breathing non impotant man is gonna stop a woman who voluntarily starts givng you a BJ and ask her how old she is...? Esp when they knew each other form school.

It is a dumb law that seems destined to be unevenly applied. The end.

macallan25 · #12 02-01-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by amycat412

Tell me, what living breathing non impotant man is gonna stop a woman who voluntarily starts givng you a BJ and ask her how old she is...? Esp when they knew each other form school.

Any guy that was raised properly and has any ounce of self respect would think about the repercussions. When I was a senior in higschool I knew plenty of girls that were much much younger than me because I had younger siblings........something tells me I wouldn't have let one of them give me head in a hotel room.

GeekyPenguin · #13 02-01-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Any guy that was raised properly and has any ounce of self respect would think about the repercussions. When I was a senior in higschool I knew plenty of girls that were much much younger than me because I had younger siblings........something tells me I wouldn't have let one of them give me head in a hotel room.

Two years is "much much younger" to you?

DSTCHAOS · #14 02-03-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by amycat412

I don't think anyone is saying this happens every single where. Communities like you describe above do exist and I tend to think are more the norm--even on other levels like the teen with the secret sex life and good girl image. .

I'm no longer sure what the norm is regarding these types of things.

Hearing about teen sex parties across social class and race makes me think that maybe highly religious communities with high levels of social control, like the Quakers, are the only COMMUNITIES immune from this.

amycat412 · #15 02-04-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I'm no longer sure what the norm is regarding these types of things.

Hearing about teen sex parties across social class and race makes me think that maybe highly religious communities with high levels of social control, like the Quakers, are the only COMMUNITIES immune from this.

good point.

This whole case makes me want to do something to help get his sentence overturned. The complete injustice of it makes me physically ill.

The justice, DA etc, way it was handled is like something out of the damn middle ages.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I hate the feeling that if this was a case against white teens, the sentencing would have been different. BECAUSE RACIAL DISCRIMINATION MAKES ME SICK.