What do people think about ethnic GLOs

[jaynu]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

I had never seen an AGLO until I found GC...neither my undergraduate or graduate campuses had any AGLO's.

My guess would be because the majority of AGLO's are still in its first decade (with the except of less than a handful). I'm sure in another decade or two, many, if not most, would have joined a council and become recognized.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by jaynu

My guess would be because the majority of AGLO's are still in its first decade (with the except of less than a handful). I'm sure in another decade or two, many, if not most, would have joined a council and become recognized.

I find it interesting that Asians are interested in joining "new" GLOs because where I come from, all most Asians (at least HK Chinese) care about is "tradition." Parents who can afford private school more often send their kids to century-plus prep schools than a post WWII school with an excellent academic reputation.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

I find it interesting that Asians are interested in joining "new" GLOs because where I come from, all most Asians (at least HK Chinese) care about is "tradition." Parents who can afford private school more often send their kids to century-plus prep schools than a post WWII school with an excellent academic reputation.

When making a statement like this I feel it is important to specify which Asian community, since the term Asian covers a lot of different groups.

Here in Minnesota the vast majority of Asians are Southeast Asians. And we have found that even with that geographical focus, there are many differences among the Hmong, Laotians, Cambodians, and Vietnamese communities.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

When making a statement like this I feel it is important to specify which Asian community, since the term Asian covers a lot of different groups.

Here in Minnesota the vast majority of Asians are Southeast Asians. And we have found that even with that geographical focus, there are many differences among the Hmong, Laotians, Cambodians, and Vietnamese communities.

OK, I should clarify. The majority of "Asians" in Toronto are of Chinese descent, mostly from Hong Kong (and I guess their British colonial upbringing is probably the reason why they are likely to send their children to old line prep schools...these schools are still relatively strong in UK heritage). Hong Kong and Taiwanese (despite their non-UK colonial past) make up a good proportion of Asian students in such schools, but there are some Korean students there too.

[cheerfulgreek]

I think BGLO orgs sometimes bring segregation in when there isn't any. For example at my school we always ask several BGLOs to participate in Greek Week and they never do. That's so sad . At my school there is an NPHC fraternity that is the 1st BGLO to have a house on fraternity and sorority row. I see this as integration. If they separate themselves from NPC/IFC greeks then this is what causes segregation.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I think BGLO orgs sometimes bring segregation in when there isn't any.

No such thing and people who actually pay attention know this.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

For example at my school we always ask several BGLOs to participate in Greek Week and they never do.

Because? Do you know why not or do you assume why not?

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

At my school there is an NPHC fraternity that is the 1st BGLO to have a house on fraternity and sorority row. I see this as integration.

I see it as nothing more than one BGLO fraternity happened to meet whatever criteria and not get voted down. In the racial/residential segregation literature this is considered a surface level integration because the fraternity and sorority row will strategically never go beyond the "tipping point" of 1 or at the most 2 BGLO organizations. This "tipping point" will shape the extent of all interracial and interorganizational interactions--since NPHC fraternity presence on fraternity row was the metric for integration in your mind.

[Dionysus]

[Butthead]

He said ethnic. Huh huh huh huh huh...

[/Butthead]

[PrettyBoy]

I see we're still on this topic that no one can agree on.

Originally Posted by Dionysus

[Butthead]

He said ethnic. Huh huh huh huh huh...

[/Butthead]

I remember when I got called an "ethnic" by someone on GC.

The guy who called me that is no longer alive.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

No such thing and people who actually pay attention know this.



Because? Do you know why not or do you assume why not?



I see it as nothing more than one BGLO fraternity happened to meet whatever criteria and not get voted down. In the racial/residential segregation literature this is considered a surface level integration because the fraternity and sorority row will strategically never go beyond the "tipping point" of 1 or at the most 2 BGLO organizations. This "tipping point" will shape the extent of all interracial and interorganizational interactions--since NPHC fraternity presence on fraternity row was the metric for integration in your mind.

No, I don't know why. You're NPHC, can you tell me? Or do you even know yourself?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

No, I don't know why. You're NPHC, can you tell me? Or do you even know yourself?

I haven't been nominated the voice for the NPHC or even black people yet. Those elections are coming up pretty soon. Stay tuned.

As for why MY chapter and other chapters that I personally know of, it has had to do with having 10 members versus the 50 to 100 members that the NPC and IFC organizations had. It's not fair to expect us to make the same 5 or so people whose schedules we can coordinate do Greek Week when other organizations have a long list of team members they could choose from and rotate.

That and some schools' events were perceived as being contrary to the NPHC orgs' practices. The only example I can think of was the Greek Week practice of wearing official pins across campus on certain days. Many NPHC chapters refused to, especially since the Greek Office tried to dictate how it should be worn so folks could see it. We'd rather wear unofficial pins or other letters.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I think BGLO orgs sometimes bring segregation in when there isn't any. For example at my school we always ask several BGLOs to participate in Greek Week and they never do. That's so sad . At my school there is an NPHC fraternity that is the 1st BGLO to have a house on fraternity and sorority row. I see this as integration. If they separate themselves from NPC/IFC greeks then this is what causes segregation.

Participation or not in 'Greek Week' has more to do with culture than race. I know that when I was in school, the NPHC orgs had their own 'week' (normally around their Founders Day) where open and closed service and social activities were performed each day. The activites performed during the NPC/IFC Greek Week did not appeal to the NPHC groups as a whole and often conflicted with calendars that include many off-campus obligations.

[PhrozenGod01]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

Participation or not in 'Greek Week' has more to do with culture than race. I know that when I was in school, the NPHC orgs had their own 'week' (normally around their Founders Day) where open and closed service and social activities were performed each day. The activites performed during the NPC/IFC Greek Week did not appeal to the NPHC groups as a whole and often conflicted with calendars that include many off-campus obligations.

That's the way it is at my school. It's not that any NPHC groups avoid the IFC/NPC greek week or the harcore homecoming/spring-jam competitions, it's just that more time and resources were spent for a full week for each individual organization. Most of the campus activities our groups hold are packed. We are able to be more flexible and creative with the activities we want to have as well. I mean, coming out for a game of flag football or kickball would be one thing, but to spend months preparing for a co-ed ultimate frisbee competition along with a gymnastics/dance/lip sync hybrid that only means something to a very small percentage of the student body just seems exhausting.

But that is just an account of my school. Other greeks at other schools do things a lot differently. Honestly, it's nothing personal. It's more like the planning of those "greek week" type activities is terrible on my campus. When a bunch of NPC/IFC members complain how they would rather be somewhere else than at some of those practices and functions, it's hard to really be inspired to make an obligation.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PhrozenGod01

I mean, coming out for a game of flag football or kickball would be one thing, but to spend months preparing for a co-ed ultimate frisbee competition along with a gymnastics/dance/lip sync hybrid that only means something to a very small percentage of the student body just seems exhausting.

It's extremely exhausting.

Add that to being a student, employed, having to do chapter fundraisers, campus and citywide philanthropy, making sure your chapter is in compliance with NHQ and the school, and being a small chapter.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by PhrozenGod01

That's the way it is at my school. It's not that any NPHC groups avoid the IFC/NPC greek week or the harcore homecoming/spring-jam competitions, it's just that more time and resources were spent for a full week for each individual organization. Most of the campus activities our groups hold are packed. We are able to be more flexible and creative with the activities we want to have as well. I mean, coming out for a game of flag football or kickball would be one thing, but to spend months preparing for a co-ed ultimate frisbee competition along with a gymnastics/dance/lip sync hybrid that only means something to a very small percentage of the student body just seems exhausting.

But that is just an account of my school. Other greeks at other schools do things a lot differently. Honestly, it's nothing personal. It's more like the planning of those "greek week" type activities is terrible on my campus. When a bunch of NPC/IFC members complain how they would rather be somewhere else than at some of those practices and functions, it's hard to really be inspired to make an obligation.

NPHC organizations are generally paired with NPC and NIC groups and our LGLO's for Greek Week, homecoming, etc. By paired, I mean that generally, a team will consist of an NIC, and NPC, and an NPHC or LGLO.

-- or at least that's what I think I saw at the homecoming parade.