The Seinfeld Dude....

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

DSTKellie,

You can explain with all your might about institutionalized racism but most folks on GC prefer to remain ignorant...

I know what racism is and what it is not.

It is about white supremacy... And I will leave it at that... Until folks have fully researchered under intense studies of Dr. Francis Cress Welsing and Dr. Na'im Akbar, then folks do not have any discussions with me...

Otherwise all folks can do is a search throughout the GC forums for the level of thinking of the collective groupthink...

I know what you talking about. And probably DSTChaos knows. And your arguments are undocumented and unsupported lacking logical conclusions. Now, you can decide if you want to pursue your opinions further, however, it is a useless gesture with likes of most GC folks...

Ah, institutionalized racisim.

I can agree that this is a horse of a different color. Were we discussion instituionalized racism, that might have made more sense. Racism at it's core however is bias based on race. NOT bias from the dominent race to the non-dominent. By your/DSTKellie's definition, a white person living in or visiting a predominantly Arab country could not be racist against Arabs. Same applies for an African country or an Asian one.



However, the idea that two sociologists (I assume) are the end all be all of ANY field as broad as racism is silly.

You are right however that her arguments are undocumented.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Ah, institutionalized racisim.

I can agree that this is a horse of a different color. Were we discussion instituionalized racism, that might have made more sense. Racism at it's core however is bias based on race. NOT bias from the dominent race to the non-dominent. By your/DSTKellie's definition, a white person living in or visiting a predominantly Arab country could not be racist against Arabs. Same applies for an African country or an Asian one.

So you all are discussing individual racism and only see racism as systemic when someone places "institutional" in front of it. Some textbooks still include sections on individual racism but it ends up confusing students as to what prejudice vs discrimination vs racism is.

Power is not about population size. Whites still comprise the largest percentage of this country, but places like South Afrika had the minority control the majority for years through Apartheid. So if the white person went to Arab and was in a position of power and influence and used this against the Arab people, it could be racism. However, I argue that many Arabs look racially "white" (according to N. America standards) enough to be able to assimilate into "whiteness" if they chose to--as many do when they come to America even to the point of marking "white" on the Census. So it wouldn't be racism that they face as much as it would be culturalism or ethnocentrism.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You are right however that her arguments are undocumented.

No, they aren't undocumented and I assumed AKAMonet was being facetious.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

So you all are discussing individual racism and only see racism as systemic when someone places "institutional" in front of it. Some textbooks still include sections on individual racism but it ends up confusing students as to what prejudice vs discrimination vs racism is.

Power is not about population size. Whites still comprise the largest percentage of this country, but places like South Afrika had the minority control the majority for years through Apartheid. So if the white person went to Arab and was in a position of power and influence and used this against the Arab people, it could be racism. However, I argue that many Arabs look racially "white" (according to N. America standards) enough to be able to assimilate into "whiteness" if they chose to--as many do when they come to America even to the point of marking "white" on the Census. So it wouldn't be racism that they face as much as it would be culturalism or ethnocentrism.



No, they aren't undocumented and I assumed AKAMonet was being facetious.

No, but the dicussion was about whether a non-white person could be racist, thus I was discussing it at the individual level.

And saying that Arabs can "pass" dodges the question. Could a white person living in Pakistan be racist against SE Asians? This is not Donald Trump or Tom Cruise this is Joe Street, white, male, and a minority in Pakistan.

I say yes, but by the definition proposed above, this is not possible.