Racial Conflict

[Elephant Walk]

In many instances I agree, but you know that social class is just a proxy for race in this country.

Agreed. It's more a point of money, not race. That's why we also hate white trash, guidos (new money usually), and other white sects.

[ForeverRoses]

So Elephant Walk, let me get this straight. Your fraternity chapter only offers bids to old money, white, southern boys that allow themselves to be hazed? Do you use religion as a qualifier as well? (only Protestants, etc.).

It is your chapter and if that's the way you want to do it, then it is your right (well, not the hazing part but that is a different thread). It is just foreign to me- I went to school in the midwest where even the traditionally southern fraternities had diversity. As for the sororities, I don't remember a single time when race was brought up during membership selection.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

So Elephant Walk, let me get this straight. Your fraternity chapter only offers bids to old money, white, southern boys that allow themselves to be hazed? Do you use religion as a qualifier as well? (only Protestants, etc.).

It is your chapter and if that's the way you want to do it, then it is your right (well, not the hazing part but that is a different thread). It is just foreign to me- I went to school in the midwest where even the traditionally southern fraternities had diversity. As for the sororities, I don't remember a single time when race was brought up during membership selection.

The Midwest and North are completely different than the South......you have to understand that. I wouldn't have exactly put it like ElephantWalk, but if a chapter wants to bid only a certain type of guy from certain areas (like most top Southern chapters do) then it is their right to do so.

[EGAOPi]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

So Elephant Walk, let me get this straight. Your fraternity chapter only offers bids to old money, white, southern boys that allow themselves to be hazed? Do you use religion as a qualifier as well? (only Protestants, etc.).

It is your chapter and if that's the way you want to do it, then it is your right (well, not the hazing part but that is a different thread). It is just foreign to me- I went to school in the midwest where even the traditionally southern fraternities had diversity. As for the sororities, I don't remember a single time when race was brought up during membership selection.

I agree with you about seeing diversity in traditionally southern fraternities. I have seen several black people in Kappa Alpha Order.

[UGAalum94]

Macallen, you're so silly. It's hard believe that you could really be a member of top tier group anyplace.

[macallan25]

Enlighten me on how you have come to that conclusion.

.....and i'm sorry you are in a bottom feeder sorority at UGA.

[UGAalum94]

Read your posts, man, read your posts.

*I don't mean to insult the rest of your group. I'm just surprised they'd associate with you.

Not that anyone cares, but I'd like to take back this smartass comment and the one I made above it. Race is always a touchy subject, and I think Macallan and I got carried away.

[macallan25]

You have insulted me and my group, and I don't appreciate it. I'll be the first to say that I haven't come across as very gentlemanly in response to your posts.......but when someone that I don't know who lives thousands of miles away from our chapter accuses us of being racist and having racist trains of thought concerning our membership makeup....I have a problem with it. I have tried to explain our thought processes and our recruitment practices as best as I can....and you have either chosen to ignore them or you have the reading comprehension skills of a blind pre-schooler.

[Minerva's Girl]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

That's why we also hate white trash, guidos (new money usually), and other white sects.

It is scary to me that you think "hating" people is something to be proud of. At least you're honest though---I guess.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

That's why we also hate white trash, guidos (new money usually), and other white sects.

Which is funny to me because only the people who make up the rules through cultural capital can define their own trashiness as acceptable and "high class" whereas the trashiness of others is deemed "low class."



I've been watching wealthy white families act like trash for much of my life. Binge drinking, rowdy public displays, and more. Basically, things they wouldn't do in the streets of our quiet neighborhoods (although many were alcoholics behind closed doors) but they would do them on Family Weekends or in general public areas. Embarassing.

[shinerbock]

I just don't understand why people view it as a problem. Everyone excludes. Black people often segregate themselves, and I fail to see anything wrong with that. They often have more in common with other black people, and share common interests and goals. I just think its stupid to go out of your way to achieve diversity. Once again diversity =/= mixed races. You can have plenty of diversity in an all white or all black group. If your group wants to have a lot of different cultures and view points in it, go for it, enjoy. As for my fraternity, the reason we joined a fraternity is to be around people with common interests. If I wanted to be in a multi-cultural environment with a host of viewpoints, ideologies and faiths, I'd have joined....THE WORLD.

[FSUZeta]

wealth does not equal high class, and lack of wealth does not equal white trash. i have known plenty of people who were not rich, but were admired in the community in which they lived-they were not considered white trash.

i have also known rich people who definately were white trash-people much like the wealthy people that dstchaos described. to me trashy has more to do with actions than with ones bank account.

please try not to generalize about southern sororities and fraternities not offering membership to blacks-because that is just not true. off the top of my head i can name several npc and ifc chapters that have black members.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

wealth does not equal high class, and lack of wealth does not equal white trash. i have known plenty of people who were not rich, but were admired in the community in which they lived-they were not considered white trash.

i have also known rich people who definately were white trash-people much like the wealthy people that dstchaos described. to me trashy has more to do with actions than with ones bank account.

My point, exactly.

[blackngoldengrl]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

please try not to generalize about southern sororities and fraternities not offering membership to blacks-because that is just not true. off the top of my head i can name several npc and ifc chapters that have black members.

Like some at the university of alabama? Do we even NEED to go there?

[shinerbock]

DSTS, I see what you're saying, and nobody ever denies that there are some minorities who probably have things in common with me or my fraternity. However, we're using pretty isolated cases here. Sure, I'm generalizing, but the majority of black kids I went to college with had no desire to be in my fraternity, nor did they have much in common with us. Theres also a difference between people we can have fun with and people you'd want in your group. Recruits and football players go to Auburn fraternity parties sometimes, and I'm sure they usually have a good time. However, that doesn't mean they'd want to be in the fraternity, nor does it mean we'd want them to be. I just don't see the point in being "diverse" for diversity's sake. If they come, let them come, but I see no reason to make some concerted effort to get a black guy to join.

Minerva, I don't think its wrong to have connections. Do some people get screwed out because of it? Sure, but generally the people who get those benefits are pretty qualified. I won't lie, I probably got my DC internships because of my fraternity affiliation and my family. That being said, I'm not unqualified to get them, and its something other applicants with similar resume's didn't have. Now, if its an obvious abuse of privilege, then I'd probably have a problem with it. But a lot of the time, people with power have friends and associates who happen to be some of the best and the brightest, and thats a pretty good pool to choose from.