Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I can't stand Michael Jackson...he's a child molester. Therefore, I don't watch his interviews, don't listen to his songs, and if he comes on TV, I change the channel. If he is on the cover of a magazine, I don't buy it, because if I do, I am supporting him.

Those that don't like the AI forum have a very easy way of getting rid of it, IGNORE IT.

If I remember correctly, you have previously indicated that you are not in a sorority. So, I can kinda see why you think there's a connection between your dislike of Michael Jackson and a sorority member's dislike of AI being discussed. It also makes sense (sorta) that you think that ignoring the forum is a valid solution. The problem with this option is that, for some sororities, the AI process is confidential. So, having information posted about it is the same thing as having ritual posted.

If I knew that someone had posted the meaning of AOT in a thread, you can bet your bottom dollar that I wouldn't just ignore it because it bothers me. I would speak up to try to have it removed. No one wants their ritual information shared publicly. Period. And, to insinuate that it won't be a problem if we just ignore the fact that it's being shared in a public place, well, you're just wrong.

[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

If I remember correctly, you have previously indicated that you are not in a sorority. So, I can kinda see why you think there's a connection between your dislike of Michael Jackson and a sorority member's dislike of AI being discussed. It also makes sense (sorta) that you think that ignoring the forum is a valid solution. The problem with this option is that, for some sororities, the AI process is confidential. So, having information posted about it is the same thing as having ritual posted.

If I knew that someone had posted the meaning of AOT in a thread, you can bet your bottom dollar that I wouldn't just ignore it because it bothers me. I would speak up to try to have it removed. No one wants their ritual information shared publicly. Period. And, to insinuate that it won't be a problem if we just ignore the fact that it's being shared in a public place, well, you're just wrong.

But see, that is where part of the disagreement is, is the discussion of AI in essence, a discussion of ritual because a half-dozen people on Greek Chat says it is?

I don't think it's a violation, b/c it's so silly and common it would be hard to imagine it would be, if someone asked, "Does XYZ have AI?" or "If I am interested in XYZ, should I contact the local AA or the National first".

However, I would totally back up any sorority member on not discussing certain aspects of AI if the statements got very, very specific, like (and I'm making these up)...

"Yeah...we do AI, however, in our organization we only initiate adult women who have performed volunteer work with our organization for a minmum of 2 years"

or

"While we will be willing to meet those that are interested, we would only initiate those who are members or leaders of other community organizations for mutual benefit"

Now to me, THAT would be discussing membership selection...the EXACT qualities that you would want to see in an AI candidate before you would agree to AI. On that issue, I would totally support any thread or discussion of this type being shut down.

But it all boils down to this: It starts with the members of the sororities. If they don't provide the information when asked for it, then no one else can get it. If you think a sister is violating ritual, then you need to address it with that sister....it's not John's fault or PenguinTrax if you have a 'bad seed' that doesn't take her initiation seriously.

[carnation]

And now since I've had a nonworking phone line and thus no computer for the last day or so--and returned to behold several adults acting juvenile, reporting this thread right and left and otherwise being BURDENS--this thread is closed, I hope temporarily, while folks cool off.