NPC Hazing deaths?

Drolefille · #1 05-26-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ree-Xi

Why are you in other groups' pages/business?

Do you monitor every Greek Wiki page to see what is changed and who does it?

You challenged a Gamma Sigma Sigma member - who you said wasn't readily identifiable, because you aren't a member - who updated something on their Wiki page.

As for Kappa Sigma, shouldn't you leave any issues to their members?

What point are you trying to make regarding hazing deaths in sororities? Are you going to speak at convocation for Sorority Recruitment? Write articles on Wikipedia saying that "fraternities and sororities aren't "so bad"? To which audience will you spread your "expertise" (which is not experience-based, rather, a collection of information fed to you)?

Your interest comes across as much more than casual. And that's why it bugs me.

To be fair on the first part, being a member of an org isn't required to edit the wiki. An editing war is less about who knows more about the topic and more about who knows more about the appropriate tone/format for an article. It's not about personal knowledge although that can help.

The rest, well, it is off putting for reasons i can't quite put my finger on.

als463 · #2 05-26-2010, 02:00 PM

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true. We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

DrPhil · #3 05-26-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by als463

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true.

"Pledged" was a work of fiction, right?

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Originally Posted by als463

We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

But, that doesn't stop the NPC ball from rolling.

als463 · #4 05-26-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Pledged" was a work of fiction, right?

But, that doesn't stop the NPC ball from rolling.

Apparently, some of it wasn't. I don't really know and I don't really care, I am just trying to give examples of what the OP could look at. I never said it stopped the NPC ball from rolling.

agzg · #5 05-26-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Pledged" was a work of fiction, right?

I like to think most of it is.

naraht · #6 05-26-2010, 02:27 PM

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I like to think most of it is.

I agree with you on that.

I'm still trying to figure out which is most accurate, "Pledged", "Peggy Sanday's Fraternity Gang Rape" or the graffiti in the Men's room near campus, and frankly I'm leaning toward the Graffiti.

OTOH, there are some books on the Subject that I think are definitely worth while. Start with Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities for the dry facts, Add Lawrence Ross's Divine Nine or Black Greek 101 for the NPHCs and some of the widely published specific history books like the one for Delta Sigma Theta.

Hank Nuwer's writings, such as Broken Pledges, however accurate they are should *not* be the first information that a prosective member gets.

DrPhil · #7 05-26-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht

Add Lawrence Ross's Divine Nine or Black Greek 101 for the NPHCs and some of the widely published specific history books like the one for (are you talking about In Search of Sisterhood?) Delta Sigma Theta.

Are you saying these books cover the topic of hazing?

naraht · #8 05-26-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Are you saying these books cover the topic of hazing?

No, they don't, I was covering a wider area. If anyone has any books on hazing that meet or exceed Hank Nuwer's works, I'd love to know about them.

Yes, I was referring to In Search of Sisterhood.

I've read both Divine Nine and In Search of Sisterhood and for those it wasn't curiosity. Due to prior experience with being the chapter rep to the Alpha Phi Omega chapter at Howard, I'm at the point where one of my specialties in Alpha Phi Omega is the culture at the HBCUs and how culturally Alpha Phi Omega is different there due to the interactions with the NPHC. I wish I'd had both books when I was first rep to Howard, but neither had been published in 1992.

naraht · #9 05-26-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by als463

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true. We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

I actually own a copy of Pledged that I found at a Yard Sale, I think I paid 25 cents for it, and frankly I overpaid given the sensationalism. I haven't actually made it all the way through. Ick.

Animate · #10 05-26-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by als463

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true. We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

Which makes me think that these hazing deaths aren't as few and far between as people want to believe they are.

Drolefille · #11 05-26-2010, 05:31 PM

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Which makes me think that these hazing deaths aren't as few and far between as people want to believe they are.

I think it's more that most hazing doesn't lead to death but can still be scary. Buckets of offal dumped on people's heads for example. And MOST hazing falls into that "technically hazing but no one here has a problem with anything" category.

Now, if you count alcohol deaths that could have been provoked/pushed by hazing or even just peer pressure of a senior member over a NM.. I dunno. Still rare but just sort of 'feels' scary to someone w/o the knowledge.

als463 · #12 05-26-2010, 07:24 PM

naraht, I have never read Broken Pledges. Is that a good book? I might have to check it out. I am attempting to read this Wuthering Heights and it is boring the hell out of me. I'm thinking of picking up a copy of Broken Pledges. Do you have any other interesting books you would suggest regarding Greek Life, in general, that I could check out?

naraht · #13 05-26-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by als463

naraht, I have never read Broken Pledges. Is that a good book? I might have to check it out. I am attempting to read this Wuthering Heights and it is boring the hell out of me. I'm thinking of picking up a copy of Broken Pledges. Do you have any other interesting books you would suggest regarding Greek Life, in general, that I could check out?

I do recommend it. It is definitely not an anti-fraternity diatribe, Nuwer was in a local social fraternity at Buffalo State College (this was during a time when the National Fraternities were banned at the New York State Schools). From what I understand he has been invited to give talks at National Conventions of some the NIC fraternities. A more complete answer would probably be better in the Greek Life section, do you want to start it there, or should I?

als463 · #14 05-26-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht

I do recommend it. It is definitely not an anti-fraternity diatribe, Nuwer was in a local social fraternity at Buffalo State College (this was during a time when the National Fraternities were banned at the New York State Schools). From what I understand he has been invited to give talks at National Conventions of some the NIC fraternities. A more complete answer would probably be better in the Greek Life section, do you want to start it there, or should I?

Start a thread about what? Do you mean start one about books on Greek life? I know there was a thread which talked about movies regarding Greek life but, I'm not sure if there was one about books. If you have a list, please start a thread. That sounds like a great idea.

ree-Xi · #15 05-26-2010, 02:03 PM

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To be fair on the first part, being a member of an org isn't required to edit the wiki. An editing war is less about who knows more about the topic and more about who knows more about the appropriate tone/format for an article. It's not about personal knowledge although that can help.

The rest, well, it is off putting for reasons i can't quite put my finger on.

I know that, but it's the collection of the OP's questions, intrusions and activities that makes me wonder.

*shrug*