Depression (the disease, not the economy)

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Ok, still missing where I said that depression is something to be ashamed of.

We didn't.

As libramunoz stated, many perceive it to be the pink elephant, so the widely held perception is what they are responding to.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

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As libramunoz stated, many perceive it to be the pink elephant, so the widely held perception is what they are responding to.

You're right Doc, it is the perception that people are responding too. People have to become more willing to talk about those "unpleasant" sides of life.
We all have an "Uncle Betty" or a "crazy Aunt George" or someone who we know in the family "just ain't right." We all know that these problem occur in various families or in various forms with people that we work with. Sometimes, we have to learn how to talk about SOME things that are real in order to help the perception that people who have a chemical imbalance (not drug/alcohol induced) are the same people that we know and love or respect. But the whole thing is that they are normal just like us.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by libramunoz

it is the perception that people are responding too. People have to become more willing to talk about those "unpleasant" sides of life...Sometimes, we have to learn how to talk about SOME things that are real in order to help the perception that people who have a chemical imbalance (not drug/alcohol induced) are the same people that we know and love or respect. But the whole thing is that they are normal just like us.

You are talking about the stigma of mental illness, and the awareness of it.

There are other places, than GC, to discuss these topics. The reasons are legion. But, I think the compelling reason is that if you are going to discuss these thing online anyways, do it with more supportive people than GC people... Seriously...

Seriously... GC is NOT a support group. There is no group therapy here. I am sorry that hurts, but, in fact, it incites cyberbullying in its truest form. Other sites do worse.

So, to save the trials and corrections to your own psyche, it is just wiser to limit that discussion on GC...

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You are talking about the stigma of mental illness, and the awareness of it.

There are other places, than GC, to discuss these topics. The reasons are legion. But, I think the compelling reason is that if you are going to discuss these thing online anyways, do it with more supportive people than GC people... Seriously...

Seriously... GC is NOT a support group. There is no group therapy here. I am sorry that hurts, but, in fact, it incites cyberbullying in its truest form. Other sites do worse.

So, to save the trials and corrections to your own psyche, it is just wiser to limit that discussion on GC...

Correct on one point, Monet. I was talking about the stigmatization of mental health and mental illness and it's awareness.

However, I wasn't responding to Hot Damn for the purpose of having a support group. If I wanted a support group, I'd go to the local hospital/MHMR center and join one.

Simply put, Hot Damn asked a question about depression and I simply responded to it. If your feelings were hurt by my response, hey, what I learned in my studies 101, I cannot control your feelings, only my own.
I don't have a problem in talking about mental health/illness issues. Whether they affect you personally or not, then that's simply on you. For me, they are a part of my life and it's something that I know and have learned how to deal with. If someone feels that they can get some support from learning on how to deal with their mental health/illness issues based on what I've learned or gone through, then great! That is simply the process of growing up and learning how to deal with their problems and themselves.

If you felt that it was something that shouldn't have been discussed or talked about, then what was the need for you to respond.

I fully know that GC damn sure ain't no site for getting the mental health/illness' needs and issues met. This is the LAST PLACE ON EARTH where one would expect this to occur. Again, if someone can gain help from what I have gone through, I am happy as a mushroom in cowshit!

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by libramunoz

Correct on one point, Monet. I was talking about the stigmatization of mental health and mental illness and it's awareness.

However, I wasn't responding to Hot Damn for the purpose of having a support group. If I wanted a support group, I'd go to the local hospital/MHMR center and join one.

Simply put, Hot Damn asked a question about depression and I simply responded to it. If your feelings were hurt by my response, hey, what I learned in my studies 101, I cannot control your feelings, only my own.
I don't have a problem in talking about mental health/illness issues. Whether they affect you personally or not, then that's simply on you. For me, they are a part of my life and it's something that I know and have learned how to deal with. If someone feels that they can get some support from learning on how to deal with their mental health/illness issues based on what I've learned or gone through, then great! That is simply the process of growing up and learning how to deal with their problems and themselves.

If you felt that it was something that shouldn't have been discussed or talked about, then what was the need for you to respond.

I fully know that GC damn sure ain't no site for getting the mental health/illness' needs and issues met. This is the LAST PLACE ON EARTH where one would expect this to occur. Again, if someone can gain help from what I have gone through, I am happy as a mushroom in cowshit!

You might not be using GC for mental health support, but others, who do not post, DO read this area and make health decisions based on what YOU said... May as well be accurate without mythology...

Look, you posted it, your words have far-reaching effects. Be mindful of that. This form of "tactile responsiveness and reflectiveness" is NOT healing unless the words typed are supportive. I KNOW!!!

That is ARIAFYA LLC is for... Many here know about it.

But, it is unrealistic of you to think that your mere words on a message board absolutely do NOT far-reaching effects...

To put people straight: I am 40 years old. And right now, after going through a powerhouse hospice care training, the discussions on GC, means ZERO to me right now... How much more perspective do you need than that?

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You might not be using GC for mental health support, but others, who do not post, DO read this area and make health decisions based on what YOU said... May as well be accurate without mythology...

Look, you posted it, your words have far-reaching effects. Be mindful of that. This form of "tactile responsiveness and reflectiveness" is NOT healing unless the words typed are supportive. I KNOW!!!

That is ARIAFYA LLC is for... Many here know about it.

But, it is unrealistic of you to think that your mere words on a message board absolutely do NOT far-reaching effects...

To put people straight: I am 40 years old. And right now, after going through a powerhouse hospice care training, the discussions on GC, means ZERO to me right now... How much more perspective do you need than that?

First of all, Monet, let's get this straight--you don't know me from adam or from the mushroom with cowshit upon it.
Secondly, WHATEVER someone wants to convey from what I've said then they are MORE THAN WELCOME TO IT.
Thirdly, whatever folks KNOW ABOUT, that's on them, NOT ME!
Fourthly, It's unrealistic for YOU to think that folks haven't THOUGHT about their OWN problems before and can RELATE to somebody else's problems WITHIN their OWN life.
Fifth, DO NOT THINK THAT YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE HERE WITH ED-JA-MA-CATION! Just like you got yours, darlin, I've got mine as well! I have been through many, many, and many a more training JUST LIKE YOU.
Sixth--Get over yourself. Stop being the dog chasing it's tail. You'll only end up going around in circles.
Seventh--do you really want to start this battle with me? If so, round one, ding! I just got a TKO! Wanna get up again and try?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by libramunoz

First of all, Monet, let's get this straight--you don't know me from adam or from the mushroom with cowshit upon it.
Secondly, WHATEVER someone wants to convey from what I've said then they are MORE THAN WELCOME TO IT.
Thirdly, whatever folks KNOW ABOUT, that's on them, NOT ME!
Fourthly, It's unrealistic for YOU to think that folks haven't THOUGHT about their OWN problems before and can RELATE to somebody else's problems WITHIN their OWN life.
Fifth, DO NOT THINK THAT YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE HERE WITH ED-JA-MA-CATION! Just like you got yours, darlin, I've got mine as well! I have been through many, many, and many a more training JUST LIKE YOU.
Sixth--Get over yourself. Stop being the dog chasing it's tail. You'll only end up going around in circles.
Seventh--do you really want to start this battle with me? If so, round one, ding! I just got a TKO! Wanna get up again and try?

Go knock yourself out hun... Because, you aren't the only one vocal about there mental health issues and believe me, I've been there, done that, over the 9 years I have been on GC...

It's really not like what you think. I am not a threat.

Wow, you really set me straight! Good for you! Does that make you feel 100%!

[DrPhil]

People always say message board tone is easily misconstrued but I think that our posts are often accurately interpreted based on their over- and underlying tones.

Mine included.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

And right now, after going through a powerhouse hospice care training, the discussions on GC, means ZERO to me right now... How much more perspective do you need than that?

And if the discussions on GC mean ZERO to you right now, why are you here posting?
Just a thought to think about from a chick who KNOWS about her mental health issues.
You just might wanna check out yours! Need the DSM-IV TR--I could mail you mine!

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by libramunoz

And if the discussions on GC mean ZERO to you right now, why are you here posting?
Just a thought to think about from a chick who KNOWS about her mental health issues.
You just might wanna check out yours! Need the DSM-IV TR--I could mail you mine!

Thank you...

Bless your heart...

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Well, they aren't normal. That's the whole point of seeking treatment. This is one reason why (in my off-internet interactions) I tell people that we have to understand the various outcomes of normalizing what are considered forms of "deviance." There are a number of reasons why people don't seek help. One of them is that when you discuss something to the point where it is normalized, there is always the possibility that many will say "a large percentage of adults have depression/a mental disorder/suicidal ideation...I'm pretty normal so I'm content with that and won't waste time seeking help."

So when discussing such matters and building a sense of comradere, you don't want to normalize it to the point where the "seek help outside of this message board" option loses its appeal.

That's one of the differences between discussing forms of birth control that you use on here (which I wouldn't do but others choose to) and talking about mental and emotional health.

I wish this was a matter of who, what, where, when and why to discuss mental health conditions, but the reasons for choosing not to pursue mental health care are due to fearful myths and perceptions, cultural incompetencies, ignorances and funds. That is published in the mental health outreach research literature and policy...

The professional people and programs are there, and online, too... But, people still do not seek their assistance... It seems what works is when people seek that rapport in communities they have affinities and trusts...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I wish this was a matter of who, what, where, when and why to discuss mental health conditions

It is for the purpose of this discussion.

I know the fundamentals of mental and emotional health. What I said pertains to the normalization of disorders. Thanks.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It is for the purpose of this discussion.

I know the fundamentals of mental and emotional health. What I said pertains to the normalization of disorders. Thanks.

But people are not statistically normalizing their mental health conditions... There is not enough power to do that...

What they are doing is RATIONALIZING the reasons for their behavior as manifested on the internet...

What they will find is that in an unsupported environment that will make them feel worse. And changing that environment is futile...

So, they can take their toys elsewhere, since they cannot play in this cat poop sandbox...

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Lawd, Monet, we clearly aren't talking about the same thing right now. Okay?



This is your soapbox. Not mine.

Remember, you chose to engage in a conversation with me, when I repeatedly asked you not to do so...

As such, you got yourself into this logic hole, and I do think we are discussing the topic about how people with mental health conditions ought not post their mental health issues on GC and how it is "SHOULD" be a "normal topic of discussion on GC"...

Why be "normal"?

Anyhow, I don't have to comment to demean your "soapbox", you do that well enough alone...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Remember, you chose to engage in a conversation with me, when I repeatedly asked you not to do so...

Well, idiot, that post you responded to was not to you.

So you can create your own logic hole but we still won't be talking about the same thing. Run along.