Depression (the disease, not the economy)

[Dionysus]

Maybe I made a typo or something. I didn't lose my mother, thank God. I almost lost my mother. She was extremely ill, and still isn't herself 100%.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

Maybe I made a typo or something. I didn't lose my mother, thank God. I almost lost my mother. She was extremely ill, and still isn't herself 100%.

Nah, no typo, that's exactly what you said the first time. Glad to know she's still with you!

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You all want this to be the time and place, that's on you. The rest of us will read and comment as we see fit.

Well said.

[KSUViolet06]

Ok, still missing where I said that depression is something to be ashamed of.

The point I was trying to make was more along the lines of: There are psychos like BlueAngel and such who love to e-stalk GCers. I just wouldn't want to have stuff like this out here for them to see.

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

The point I was trying to make was more along the lines of: There are psychos like BlueAngel and such who love to e-stalk GCers. I just wouldn't want to have stuff like this out here for them to see.

Thanks for worrying about me. I think it's okay to take small risks, though, and I see this as a small risk. Especially if it might help somebody else to read about someone like them who went through the same thing.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Ok, still missing where I said that depression is something to be ashamed of.

We didn't.

As libramunoz stated, many perceive it to be the pink elephant, so the widely held perception is what they are responding to.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

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As libramunoz stated, many perceive it to be the pink elephant, so the widely held perception is what they are responding to.

You're right Doc, it is the perception that people are responding too. People have to become more willing to talk about those "unpleasant" sides of life.
We all have an "Uncle Betty" or a "crazy Aunt George" or someone who we know in the family "just ain't right." We all know that these problem occur in various families or in various forms with people that we work with. Sometimes, we have to learn how to talk about SOME things that are real in order to help the perception that people who have a chemical imbalance (not drug/alcohol induced) are the same people that we know and love or respect. But the whole thing is that they are normal just like us.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by libramunoz

it is the perception that people are responding too. People have to become more willing to talk about those "unpleasant" sides of life...Sometimes, we have to learn how to talk about SOME things that are real in order to help the perception that people who have a chemical imbalance (not drug/alcohol induced) are the same people that we know and love or respect. But the whole thing is that they are normal just like us.

You are talking about the stigma of mental illness, and the awareness of it.

There are other places, than GC, to discuss these topics. The reasons are legion. But, I think the compelling reason is that if you are going to discuss these thing online anyways, do it with more supportive people than GC people... Seriously...

Seriously... GC is NOT a support group. There is no group therapy here. I am sorry that hurts, but, in fact, it incites cyberbullying in its truest form. Other sites do worse.

So, to save the trials and corrections to your own psyche, it is just wiser to limit that discussion on GC...

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You are talking about the stigma of mental illness, and the awareness of it.

There are other places, than GC, to discuss these topics. The reasons are legion. But, I think the compelling reason is that if you are going to discuss these thing online anyways, do it with more supportive people than GC people... Seriously...

Seriously... GC is NOT a support group. There is no group therapy here. I am sorry that hurts, but, in fact, it incites cyberbullying in its truest form. Other sites do worse.

So, to save the trials and corrections to your own psyche, it is just wiser to limit that discussion on GC...

Correct on one point, Monet. I was talking about the stigmatization of mental health and mental illness and it's awareness.

However, I wasn't responding to Hot Damn for the purpose of having a support group. If I wanted a support group, I'd go to the local hospital/MHMR center and join one.

Simply put, Hot Damn asked a question about depression and I simply responded to it. If your feelings were hurt by my response, hey, what I learned in my studies 101, I cannot control your feelings, only my own.
I don't have a problem in talking about mental health/illness issues. Whether they affect you personally or not, then that's simply on you. For me, they are a part of my life and it's something that I know and have learned how to deal with. If someone feels that they can get some support from learning on how to deal with their mental health/illness issues based on what I've learned or gone through, then great! That is simply the process of growing up and learning how to deal with their problems and themselves.

If you felt that it was something that shouldn't have been discussed or talked about, then what was the need for you to respond.

I fully know that GC damn sure ain't no site for getting the mental health/illness' needs and issues met. This is the LAST PLACE ON EARTH where one would expect this to occur. Again, if someone can gain help from what I have gone through, I am happy as a mushroom in cowshit!

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Well, they aren't normal. That's the whole point of seeking treatment. This is one reason why (in my off-internet interactions) I tell people that we have to understand the various outcomes of normalizing what are considered forms of "deviance." There are a number of reasons why people don't seek help. One of them is that when you discuss something to the point where it is normalized, there is always the possibility that many will say "a large percentage of adults have depression/a mental disorder/suicidal ideation...I'm pretty normal so I'm content with that and won't waste time seeking help."

So when discussing such matters and building a sense of comradere, you don't want to normalize it to the point where the "seek help outside of this message board" option loses its appeal.

That's one of the differences between discussing forms of birth control that you use on here (which I wouldn't do but others choose to) and talking about mental and emotional health.

I wish this was a matter of who, what, where, when and why to discuss mental health conditions, but the reasons for choosing not to pursue mental health care are due to fearful myths and perceptions, cultural incompetencies, ignorances and funds. That is published in the mental health outreach research literature and policy...

The professional people and programs are there, and online, too... But, people still do not seek their assistance... It seems what works is when people seek that rapport in communities they have affinities and trusts...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I wish this was a matter of who, what, where, when and why to discuss mental health conditions

It is for the purpose of this discussion.

I know the fundamentals of mental and emotional health. What I said pertains to the normalization of disorders. Thanks.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Well, they aren't normal. That's the whole point of seeking treatment. This is one reason why (in my off-internet interactions) I tell people that we have to understand the various outcomes of normalizing what are considered forms of "deviance." There are a number of reasons why people don't seek help. One of them is that when you discuss something to the point where it is normalized, there is always the possibility that many will say "a large percentage of adults have depression/a mental disorder/suicidal ideation...I'm pretty normal so I'm content with that and won't waste time seeking help."

So when discussing such matters and building a sense of comradere, you don't want to normalize it to the point where the "seek help outside of this message board" option loses its appeal.

That's one of the differences between discussing forms of birth control that you use on here (which I wouldn't do but others choose to) and talking about mental and emotional health.

Dang Doc, go away for a few hours to eat dinner and talk with moms and you and Monet get into it!
No Seriously, I'd have to disagree with you on this. Many people that have mental health illness'/issues are very normal. Matter of fact, many of them are living with it on a daily basis. They may not say jack diddly squat about it and you'd see them everyday and would never know.
Some people are just more open to talking about it and would tell you, maybe in conversation, maybe in passing, or you'd hear about it in "gossip" that they have depression, schizophrenia, OCD, ect. You may see them taking medicine and just have taken a sinus pill that day and inadvertently ask them about the color of their meds and how it reminds you about taking your sinus pill that morning and they tell you, "oh no, this is for my depression, my (fill in the blank)" and they move on to the rest of their day and you think "wow, you never woulda thought that he/she/it had that" and move on as well.
I think it's when one sees the "deviant behavior" execude itself into societal norms that the illness of mental health becomes "scary" or "frightening." When one sees the "effect" of another persons mental health breakdown in public, this is when those deemed as "socially acceptable" mental health issues becomes stimagitized and those people seemed to be deemed "freaks" or "weird."
For those that know or feel that they have a mental health issue, on the general whole, they tend to seek help/advice when it's acting out or when they feel it is impeding their daily life. However, those that have suicidial ideations, generally they KNOW that they need help. For this group, the sad part is the 1 to 5% of the population that don't get the help and committ the act because they felt that they COULDN'T talk to anyone about it because they felt there was NO help for them.
But I feel that if this is something that is brought out more into the open, then people will be more willing to seek the help that they need in order to continue to help themselves and help those around them help themselves as well.
I can understand what you are saying that people would come here first before they sought the help that the needed for themselves. But on the general, I think folks know this damng sure aint' the place to get help for a rather serious mental health issue.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by libramunoz

Dang Doc, go away for a few hours to eat dinner and talk with moms and you and Monet get into it!

That's much to do about nothing.

Originally Posted by libramunoz

No Seriously, I'd have to disagree with you on this. Many people that have mental health illness'/issues are very normal. Matter of fact, many of them are living with it on a daily basis. They may not say jack diddly squat about it and you'd see them everyday and would never know.
Some people are just more open to talking about it and would tell you, maybe in conversation, maybe in passing, or you'd hear about it in "gossip" that they have depression, schizophrenia, OCD, ect. You may see them taking medicine and just have taken a sinus pill that day and inadvertently ask them about the color of their meds and how it reminds you about taking your sinus pill that morning and they tell you, "oh no, this is for my depression, my (fill in the blank)" and they move on to the rest of their day and you think "wow, you never woulda thought that he/she/it had that" and move on as well.
I think it's when one sees the "deviant behavior" execude itself into societal norms that the illness of mental health becomes "scary" or "frightening." When one sees the "effect" of another persons mental health breakdown in public, this is when those deemed as "socially acceptable" mental health issues becomes stimagitized and those people seemed to be deemed "freaks" or "weird."
For those that know or feel that they have a mental health issue, on the general whole, they tend to seek help/advice when it's acting out or when they feel it is impeding their daily life. However, those that have suicidial ideations, generally they KNOW that they need help. For this group, the sad part is the 1 to 5% of the population that don't get the help and committ the act because they felt that they COULDN'T talk to anyone about it because they felt there was NO help for them.
But I feel that if this is something that is brought out more into the open, then people will be more willing to seek the help that they need in order to continue to help themselves and help those around them help themselves as well.
I can understand what you are saying that people would come here first before they sought the help that the needed for themselves. But on the general, I think folks know this damng sure aint' the place to get help for a rather serious mental health issue.

I agree with you that people with mental disorders appear "normal" to the extent that they are everyday people, some of whom we wouldn't expect to have these disorders. If that's what you meant, then cool.

You seem to already know that people with mental disorders aren't "normal" in the sense that having a mental condition of some sort is "normal," partially because it is extremely common. There are people who feel as though suicidal ideation, depression, and other mental disorders are "normal" to that extent. That's what I was referring to.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Ok, still missing where I said that depression is something to be ashamed of.

The point I was trying to make was more along the lines of: There are psychos like BlueAngel and such who love to e-stalk GCers. I just wouldn't want to have stuff like this out here for them to see.

KSU, it's something that you never said-and you're correct on that.

I can understand what you are saying, but sometimes, life is a risk and believe me, if a fool wants to stalk me, I'd just give them the address to where I live and point out that the the sign on the farm says "No Trespassing" and just give them a warning of my shotgun with double ought bullets and that I WON'T intend to miss!

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

Originally Posted by libramunoz

I'd just give them the address to where I live and point out that the the sign on the farm says "No Trespassing" and just give them a warning of my shotgun with double ought bullets and that I WON'T intend to miss!

I think I'm in love with you.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by HotDamnImAPhiMu

I think I'm in love with you.

Child,
I ain't scared of a damn thing! Once had an ex who was (well it's a longer story attached to this) about to get himself cut with the machete or have the shotgun or my Buck knife used on his ass!
I once had a client who was pissed at me and was telling me how he was going to do this and that to me. I told him, I'd cut the gate open to the facility, give him the directions and address to my home, and just wait for him to cross that cattleguard, and I'd have his answer waiting for him while he faced the barrel of my shotgun. Homeboy backed wwwaaayyy away from me!
I don't promote violence, but with some fools, that's all they seem to wanna understand and hey, like I ask them, which side of me do they want to meet and see?