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I really dislike the comparison of "well the military does it for bonding and training" as these are two completely different groups. One you can get shot at, and the other one you're doing shots.
I'm still at a loss at how treating people like crap and yelling at them makes them better members. I'd rather someone have the testicles or ovaries to stand up to that nonsense. I've asked it before and I'll ask it again, why pledge people who you have to humiliate, why not pledge people who already have the qualities you look for?
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