Fraternity Member Branded TCU - Page 4

knight_shadow · #46 01-28-2010, 04:50 PM

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Carter said he consented to being branded on his left buttock but received an additional large area of second- and third-degree burns on his right buttock.

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Carter said that while he believes he was partially responsible for the incident, he does not believe he should be punished.

He's so full of shit.

ree-Xi · #47 01-28-2010, 04:55 PM

"Carter said that since local television station WFAA aired a report about the incident Tuesday, he felt alienated both from his fraternity brothers and the university community. He said Wednesday that he did not want to continue his affiliation with the fraternity and that he is uncertain whether he will remain at the university.

Carter said he planned to receive laser treatments to reduce scarring. He and Craven said it had been estimated that it would take at least six treatments.

"It's something I'll never really be able to get rid of even though I'm having the laser treatments done," Carter said. "This whole situation has just put so much stress on my family and me that nothing justifies it."
Carter said that while he believes he was partially responsible for the incident, he does not believe he should be punished."

So what DOES he want done? Apparently his father is the one pushing for the investigation, but the kid agreed to get branded in the first place. What kind of condition was he in that he could not stop them from branding him a second and third time? I am not one to blame the victim, but it's like he said "go ahead and burn me, but not too much".

I am not sure what kind of vindication the family wants out of this. Will bringing it to light prevent it from happening again?

Ghostwriter · #48 01-28-2010, 04:58 PM

Let's see, was he drinking underage? If so, should they seek vindication from from the beer, wine or liquor producer? How about the store that sold it to whomever?

If one of my kids did this I would tell them to rub some aloe on it and shut the hell up cos' that's what you get for being a drunk dumb**s!

knight_shadow · #49 01-28-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Let's see, was he drinking underage? If so, should they seek vindication from from the beer, wine or liquor producer? How about the store that sold it to whomever?

I was thinking that, too. Why isn't anyone bitching about the fact that he's (likely) underage?

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If one of my kids did this I would tell them to rub some aloe on it and shut the hell up cos' that's what you get for being a drunk dumb**s!

Chris Rock flashback lol

RU OX Alum · #50 01-28-2010, 05:04 PM

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That is truly disgusting. Poor guy. I think the most important point made was that hazing is against the law and no one can consent to being hazed.

Yes you can. WEll, wait, no maybe not. If you consent it isn't hazing, though, right?

Psi U MC Vito · #51 01-28-2010, 05:08 PM

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Yes you can. WEll, wait, no maybe not. If you consent it isn't hazing, though, right?

It is still hazing, because it even if you comply it is because of coercion.

Ghostwriter · #52 01-28-2010, 05:32 PM

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It is still hazing, because it even if you comply it is because of coercion.

I believe it is hard to haze an initiated member. I truly don't know the laws on this but am sure someone here does. I my opinion, since a member or brother holds no power over another member it could not be hazing. It could be assault though if it was against their will but this does not seem to be the case here. Anyway if Kappa Sig National does anything to the chapter I will be ticked. Like I said this is just drunk dumb**ses who acted like idiots. Wonder if one of the girls branded him?

mtcu · #53 01-28-2010, 05:37 PM

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I must live under a big rock...who is Amon Carter?

No, not a rock - you just don't live in DFW. The TCU Football Stadium, among other buildings on campus are named after his family.

Senusret I · #54 01-28-2010, 05:37 PM

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I believe it is hard to haze an initiated member. I truly don't know the laws on this but am sure someone here does. I my opinion, since a member or brother holds no power over another member it could not be hazing. It could be assault though if it was against their will but this does not seem to be the case here. Anyway if Kappa Sig National does anything to the chapter I will be ticked. Like I said this is just drunk dumb**ses who acted like idiots. Wonder if one of the girls branded him?

People consent to hazing not just to gain the status of membership, but to maintain status through membership.

You feel compelled to do something because the choice to NOT do it will lead to social ostracization.

Google "post-pledging" and you can see an example or two of this.

Ghostwriter · #55 01-28-2010, 05:48 PM

I'll just bet anything one of the ladies they were with branded him. The sorority was named in the complaint.

Anyway he should man up, shut up and rub some dirt on it.

DrPhil · #56 01-28-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

People consent to hazing not just to gain the status of membership, but to maintain status through membership.

You feel compelled to do something because the choice to NOT do it will lead to social ostracization.

Google "post-pledging" and you can see an example or two of this.

Yep.

It's bascially peer pressure and the stresses of social networking within a GLO context.

why.so.curious? · #57 01-28-2010, 09:40 PM

Ok he consented the first time he was branded, but then he was branded several times while passed out. He didn't consent to that. The Star-Telegram article says that once he passed out, someone (presumably fraternity brothers) continued to brand him with Deltas (for Tri Delt). He's not completely innocent, but the facts need to be taken into consideration.

knight_shadow · #58 01-28-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by why.so.curious?

Ok he consented the first time he was branded, but then he was branded several times while passed out. He didn't consent to that. The Star-Telegram article says that once he passed out, someone (presumably fraternity brothers) continued to brand him with Deltas (for Tri Delt). He's not completely innocent, but the facts need to be taken into consideration.

I don't believe he was passed out.

He's trying to relieve himself of responsibility when he was just as liable.

pres_ciha · #59 01-29-2010, 07:11 AM

Branding can get you kicked off campus even if you consent. That is what happened to my brother and his chapter.

RU OX Alum · #60 01-29-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

It is still hazing, because it even if you comply it is because of coercion.

You cannont concent based on coercion. You either concent or you are coerced. He said he concented to have a hot metal iron placed against his ass cheek, but didn't consent to be burned. This is stupid. That's like saying I meant to go swimming, but am mad now that I'm wet.