Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

Well if the federal government would do their JOB and PROTECT the borders, this law wouldn't have been made.

I respect people's opinions, but really until you've lived in AZ and are 1) constantly watching news reports about an illegal immigrant committing murder, 2) constantly hearing about illegal immigrant drop houses/drug busts, 3) constantly hearing about an illegal immigrant stealing someones identity (or have had your's stolen by an illegal immigrant), you CANNOT possibly understand WHY legal AZ residents are getting frustrated and looking to the government for solutions.

I truly believe that they made this law to make people PAY ATTENTION to what California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico are dealing with when it comes to illegal immigration. It should not be these 4 states jobs to be fighting this epidemic (and that is what it is).

Our borders are federal and our federal government should be taking care of them.

This is strictly my opinion. I completely understand that others are going to feel differently. But instead of attacking, think about the people who deal with illegal immigration on a daily basis.

I now live in Fayetteville, NC. I have never heard the Raleigh news once mention illegal immigration. It probably isn't something that they deal with. I'm sure there are illegal immigrants in the state, but probably not to the extent as the 4 border states.

I hear about the issues all the time too, but pushing for pseudo-racial profiling will do more harm than good.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

It doesn't even come close. I grew up in MI and lived in AZ for awhile, even though Detroit has it's fair share of undocumented, it's just so much more prevalent and "in-your-face" in AZ.

In regards to ASUADPi, It kind of upsets me watching people getting bussed in from California or Oklahoma to protest in Phoenix. Thats awesome that they are that passionate about the issue but they aren't the ones dealing with it on a daily basis.

Uhh...California doesn't have issues with illegal immigration?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I hear about the issues all the time too, but pushing for pseudo-racial profiling will do more harm than good.

How's that? Here in Oklahoma, we've arrested some higher ups in Mexican cartels who recently fled Arizona because they were afraid of profiling. If the law's scaring off those maggots, then it must be doing something right.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Kevin

How's that? Here in Oklahoma, we've arrested some higher ups in Mexican cartels who recently fled Arizona because they were afraid of profiling. If the law's scaring off those maggots, then it must be doing something right.

Because it won't only affect illegal immigrants.

Sure, a citizen should be able to easily produce identification, but s/he shouldn't have to just because a cop thinks s/he has the look of an immigrant.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Because it won't only affect illegal immigrants.

Sure, a citizen should be able to easily produce identification, but s/he shouldn't have to just because a cop thinks s/he has the look of an immigrant.

Depends on what that "look" is. Brown skin? No dice. Doesn't speak English? That's probable cause. Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Depends on what that "look" is. Brown skin? No dice. Doesn't speak English? That's probable cause. Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

How is that probable cause? I know plenty of citizens or perm residents with issues with the English language if they speak it at all.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

WHICH MEANS IT IS A BAD LAW.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Depends on what that "look" is. Brown skin? No dice. Doesn't speak English? That's probable cause. Since race isn't supposed to be a factor here according to the law, either race won't be a factor or there'll be a boom in civil rights case filings and people will get paid.

How do you tell an illegal immigrant from a citizen? Are they running around with scarlet sombreros attached to their shirts?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

How do you tell an illegal immigrant from a citizen? Are they running around with scarlet sombreros attached to their shirts?

You gotta run'em down and pull'em over fir....

wwwwaaaaaaiiit...that's PROFILING!

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

How is that probable cause? I know plenty of citizens or perm residents with issues with the English language if they speak it at all.

The law only requires that you have a reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed for probable cause. Race can't be a factor leading to that. Not speaking English can be a factor leading up to that. Other factors could be manner of dress, lack of identification, forged identification, etc.

Assuming before the fact that race is going to be the controlling factor in these arrests betrays your own preconceived notions about illegal immigration, not Arizona's.

[Animate]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

How do you tell an illegal immigrant from a citizen? Are they running around with scarlet sombreros attached to their shirts?

<--- citizen
<--- immigrant
<--- illegal immigrant

Check for sunglasses.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Assuming before the fact that race is going to be the controlling factor in these arrests betrays your own preconceived notions about illegal immigration, not Arizona's.

No, it betrays preconceived notions about the prejudices of law enforcement. Ones supported by statistics showing racial imbalance in the number of traffic stops alone.

[WaxOff]

There are several problems with this law and in all honesty, I'm believing more and more that it was nothing more than a ploy to rally the conservatives against the liberals and force the federal Government to do something.

Plain and simple, this law runs the risk of penalizing citizens and legal residents. It's like cutting off your finger to not have to worry about breaking the fingernail. Or to quote President George W. Bush "If we let the loggers go in and cut down all the trees we wouldn’t have a problem with forest fires."

The law makes it mandatory for ALL citizens and legal residents to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times. AZ accepts driver's licenses because they demand that you provide proof of citizenship before you can get one. However, they do not accept licenses from all other states.

There is currently no Federal Law requiring citizens to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times, therefore Arizona is usurping Federal Law. In addition, failing to provide proof of citizenship is punishable by incarceration and a fine of upto $2500.00. This violates a multitude of civil rights laws, including unlawful detainment.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by WaxOff

There are several problems with this law and in all honesty, I'm believing more and more that it was nothing more than a ploy to rally the conservatives against the liberals and force the federal Government to do something.

Plain and simple, this law runs the risk of penalizing citizens and legal residents. It's like cutting off your finger to not have to worry about breaking the fingernail. Or to quote President George W. Bush "If we let the loggers go in and cut down all the trees we wouldn’t have a problem with forest fires."

The law makes it mandatory for ALL citizens and legal residents to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times. AZ accepts driver's licenses because they demand that you provide proof of citizenship before you can get one. However, they do not accept licenses from all other states.

There is currently no Federal Law requiring citizens to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times, therefore Arizona is usurping Federal Law. In addition, failing to provide proof of citizenship is punishable by incarceration and a fine of upto $2500.00. This violates a multitude of civil rights laws, including unlawful detainment.

It's tricky in that it doesn't specifically require citizens to carry papers, but would end up requiring citizens to prove citizenship if mistaken for an immigrant - legal or not.

[Animate]

Originally Posted by WaxOff

The law makes it mandatory for ALL citizens and legal residents to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times. AZ accepts driver's licenses because they demand that you provide proof of citizenship before you can get one. However, they do not accept licenses from all other states.

Wait, so if I'm understanding this correctly, if I, being from AL, visit AZ, and get pulled over they wouldn't accept my AL license?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Animate

Wait, so if I'm understanding this correctly, if I, being from AL, visit AZ, and get pulled over they wouldn't accept my AL license?

Depends on whether AL requires you to prove citizenship to get a license or not. I think they have a website that lists what they accept and what they don't. The thing is, as a citizen you shouldn't have to prove it to anyone. Technically only immigrants/visitors/residents are required to carry papers.