100 Students Arrested - which fraternity is involved?

[sdsuchelle]

Let's be honest here, do you really think at a "party" school like SDSU (or any large school for that matter), only 33 out of several tens of thousands of students are doing or dealing drugs? There's no way. I mean its definitely commendable but IMO they will never solve the drug problem.

Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

Let's be honest here, do you really think at a "party" school like SDSU (or any large school for that matter), only 33 out of several tens of thousands of students are doing or dealing drugs? There's no way.

I think you really should just keep your mouth shut. Please see Kevin's post about not posting rumors.

Srsly.

[sdsuchelle]

The Union-Tribune posted an op-ed article today about the whole debacle that is pretty sensationalist/anti-Greek:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...c8jenkins.html

Greeks allegedly turned to greed

UNION-TRIBUNE

May 8, 2008

My word, times have a-changed at my old alma mater.

When I attended San Diego State University in the late '60s – and when I taught there in the '70s – the typical Greek male was a well-groomed, well-proportioned business major with his clear eye on a corporate future.

Pot? Diet pills? Maybe a few times as an “experiment.”

But the after-hours focus was on Bud, not sinsemilla buds. Acting out and throwing up, not freaking or munching out, was the normal outcome of weekend excess.

The avid midnight (and noontime) tokers of that absurd era were the long-haired non-Greek students, many of whom hitchhiked from the corner of Montezuma and Remington roads with hand-painted signs telegraphing their beach destination – OB, MB, PB – to passing VWs.

These were the hippie kids who listened to KPRI, San Diego's seminal FM “underground” rock station, and bought (and sold) drugs in a loosely organized black market.

By and large, fraternity men (and well-mannered sorority women) were the reassuring counterweights to the counter-cultured students who routinely risked going to jail either as a small-time trafficker or illegal drug user.

These were the opposite poles I observed every day on campus: The Greeks were, by definition, good, if not gods; the Freaks were, by definition, soft-hearted outlaws.

That old social order explains why this balding Boomer is having a hard time digesting the giant drug bust on Montezuma Mesa.

Mind you, I'm not at all shocked that drug use is rampant at State or any other college. The culture is besotted with drugs. I watch TV series like “Weeds.” I've seen movies like “Blow.”

No, what blows me into the weeds is that seven – seven – fraternities are alleged to have been involved in the campus criminal ring.

At State, the Big Men on Campus, it appears, have devolved from scholar-athletes and future captains of industry to below-life entrepreneurs whose infernal products killed a Poway girl a year ago.



Theta Chi, the fraternity investigators identified as a major hub of cocaine retailing on campus, prides itself on its lofty statement of purpose.

This sacred creed is repeated by members at chapter meetings.

For your inspiration, here is the Theta Chi creed:

I believe in Theta Chi, its traditions and its ideals. Born of sturdy manhood, nurtured by resolute men, ennobled by high and sacred purpose, it has taken its place among the educational institutions of America as a promoter of knowledge, an advancer of culture and a builder of character.

It inspires true friendship, teaches truth, temperance and tolerance, extols virtue, exacts harmony, and extends a helping hand to all who seek it.

I believe in the primacy of Alma Mater; in the usefulness of my Fraternity, in its influence and its accomplishments and I shall do all in my power to perpetuate its ideals, thereby serving my God, my country and my fellow man.

In light of recent events, I'm submitting an SDSU update of the flowery old mission statement:

I believe in Theta Chi, its criminal business ethic and its dedication to peak highs on campus. Reborn of brazen dope dealers, nurtured by Mexican cartel gangsters, enriched by technological enterprise, it has taken its place among the gun-toting drug merchants of America as a promoter of psychotic frenzy, an advancer of fatal overdoses and a builder of brotherly wealth.

It inspires sleazy capitalism, teaches Deceit, Intoxication and Exploitation, extols honor among thieves, exacts a fair cut from nearly pure Colombian cocaine, and extends a helping hand to all who seek a hit of dope via text message.

I believe in the primacy of the bong and the coke spoon; in the cover from narcs provided by my Fraternity; in its market penetration and I shall do all in my power to enlist more student marks, thereby serving my supplier, my brothers in crime and, last and definitely least, my dumb-as-dirt clients.



As charges are filed – and sentences handed down – young lives will be put on hold, their futures frozen behind bars.

The district attorney, stung by embarrassing reversals in court, will be only too happy to throw the hardback book at the campus dealers and their eager clients.

Justice, especially when it comes to drugs, is a sort of lottery. A relative few get caught. That's the take-the-money-and-run reality of the drug trade.

One of the dirty, but obviously undocumented, secrets is how much illicit money has funded legitimate businesses and real-estate purchases for now law-abiding citizens.

So the wonder isn't that students broke the law to feel like big shots and make easy money on a product whose black-market value is propped up by its illegality.

No, the wonder, at least to me, is that a network of fraternities, societies that draw upon religious and patriotic values, could appear to operate as virtual fronts for a drug ring.

If it were possible to go back to SDSU in the '60s or '70s and report that news flash from the future, long-haired students would have looked at you as if you were crazy and said, “C'mon, man. No way. But whatever it is you're smoking, can I have a hit?”

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

The Union-Tribune posted an op-ed article today about the whole debacle that is pretty sensationalist/anti-Greek:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...c8jenkins.html

^^^Care to fix your violation of GC TOS and copy-write laws?
Link and a few lines are all that is needed.

[Kevin]

I was trying to be diplomatic.

I think accuracy is important, but it's also important to understand that there are people who monitor these boards and a rumor, especially in a situation like this could potentially cause harm to someone down the road.

I also have to say that I find the dismissive attitude regarding these charges to be a little disturbing. Whatever you think about the wisdom of our drug laws or whether they're possible to enforce, members of greek organizations have been arrested in connection with selling drugs.

Had there been an overdose in a house or a shooting or something of that nature, bad things could happen to the entire organization, not to mention the SDSU greek community.

Be smart -- think a little beyond 'kids will be kids' and realize that sometimes actions have consequences.

Sometimes, the internet is serious business.

[jon1856]

Found this rather interesting blog on this matter.
Seems to be all GLO's on this:
http://understandmyteen.com/blog/san...out-frats.html

[sdsuchelle]

What the hell? You all are WAY too quick to jump on people. How is that a rumor? Let's think statistically. Take ANY group of 30,000 young people and I will guarantee you that more than .001% of them are dealing or doing drugs.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

What the hell? You all are WAY too quick to jump on people. How is that a rumor? Let's think statistically. Take ANY group of 30,000 young people and I will guarantee you that more than .001% of them are dealing or doing drugs.

Why are you being hysterical about this? You are stereotyping people and stereotypes are dangerous. I believe your smugness masks an issue with drugs you're not dealing with.

Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

What the hell? You all are WAY too quick to jump on people. How is that a rumor? Let's think statistically. Take ANY group of 30,000 young people and I will guarantee you that more than .001% of them are dealing or doing drugs.

Feel free to cite your source and maybe I'll consider believing you. Like OMG.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by OTW

Feel free to cite your source and maybe I'll consider believing you. Like OMG.

Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

What the hell? You all are WAY too quick to jump on people. How is that a rumor? Let's think statistically. Take ANY group of 30,000 young people and I will guarantee you that more than .001% of them are dealing or doing drugs.

Again, I agree. I'm not so sure about actually dealing drugs, but I will easily agree that if you continuously took 30,000 college age students at random and figured out how many of them casually do drugs it would be way higher than a thousandth of a percent of the group. There is no question about it.

I would almost guarantee that 1 out of every 5 or so of them smokes pot. I learned that statistic in a class actually........1 out of every 5-7 Americans smokes marijuana. I don't have the book that the statistic came from..........nor am I going to go digging through my stuff and the internet to find it, so tough.....if you choose not to believe anything without a "source" to back it up then I don't know what to tell you.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

What the hell? You all are WAY too quick to jump on people. How is that a rumor? Let's think statistically. Take ANY group of 30,000 young people and I will guarantee you that more than .001% of them are dealing or doing drugs.

For what it's worth, I see what you are saying and I totally agree with you. I don't think you were being dismissive about the situation either. I also wouldn't call what you were doing "spreading rumors". Everyone who is jumping down her throat about that.......come off it and shut up.

Some of you assholes in this thread need to lighten the fuck up and stop attacking people.

What they did at the school was commendable, but to talk about this like it was some triumph against the sale and use of drugs, especially blow and weed is ridiculously laughable.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by macallan25

What they did at the school was commendable, but to talk about this like it was some triumph against the sale and use of drugs, especially blow and weed is ridiculously laughable.

I don't think anyone is metaphorically high-fiving the drug task force. Rather, they're saying it might be a good plan for a student at the university to quit saying how amazingly drug-riddled it is.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I don't think anyone is metaphorically high-fiving the drug task force. Rather, they're saying it might be a good plan for a student at the university to quit saying how amazingly drug-riddled it is.

Why should she stop being real about the situation?

Originally Posted by macallan25

Why should she stop being real about the situation?

Because sdsuchelle has a GC history of posting hearsay and rumors instead of facts, therefore it's near impossible to separate what's real and what's not.

I'd link the SK@SDSU thread, but that one's gone.

[sdsuchelle]

WOW, you could have just told me not to post the whole article.

Some of you guys are batshit crazy. Wouldn't it be nice to have a discussion without nitpicking every little thing and being completely snarky for no reason?

I'm over this, I don't argue on online forums about miniscule details. Peace out.