NPC adding new council members--do you think it could/will happen?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

It is what it is. Unless the member groups agree to leave them alone, they'll have to keep a tight watch on their chapters. Without being a part of the UAs, they aren't protected by them. I don't agree with it either, but it doesn't matter what you or I think. If you look at it from AEPhiSierra's perspective, it's a Catch22. You join and never get another chapter since no CPC will pick such a small organization in an expansion environment over one of the other NPC groups with greater resources.

Which is also dumb.

I'm not disagreeing it is what it is, but that doesn't mean it's not something that the NPC could change, either by offering associate membership or some sort of recognition. And I think it's a matter of respect for other organizations.

[Regina.George]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

My biggest issue with the whole situation is that, whatever KBG's intentions, as there is no associate membership, or recognition by the NPC of up and coming national GLOs, their chapters continue to be 'fair game.' They could have 14 chapters and 18 months later have a chapter picked off by an NPC. It's disrespectful IMO on an organizational level.

No one was "picking off" their chapters. They weren't properly caring for those chapters and the exasperated members eventually decided to look elsewhere. KBG didn't even have an operational web site for several years and their "new and improved" site is still incomplete. I'm going to say it: here's a history there of neglect and it isn't a matter of the poor little chapters being lured away by the big NPC national siren's song. I sincerely hope KBG has gotten their act together and can look forward to a thriving future, but they had some very dark days there. I don't want to see any Greek organization fail, but like with any relationship, you have to take care of your people.

[psy]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

A goat knows better. So should you.

WTF?

FWIW, I think this is a problem even WITHIN the NPC orgs--so many members/PNMs focus on the collegiate/social aspect, sometimes at the expense of the lifelong/history/tradition/alum aspect (not all, of course), and I could see why someone might think that, depending on their experience with/ perceptions of NPC orgs and members. Which is a shame.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Regina.George

No one was "picking off" their chapters. They weren't properly caring for those chapters and the exasperated members eventually decided to look elsewhere. KBG didn't even have an operational web site for several years and their "new and improved" site is still incomplete. I'm going to say it: here's a history there of neglect and it isn't a matter of the poor little chapters being lured away by the big NPC national siren's song. I sincerely hope KBG has gotten their act together and can look forward to a thriving future, but they had some very dark days there. I don't want to see any Greek organization fail, but like with any relationship, you have to take care of your people.

That is true...BUT, if they were a chapter of Pi Phi or AOII, they would be S.O.L. No other NPC could come in to rescue them and turn them into a new chapter of say Sigma Kappa or Phi Mu.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by 33girl

The absolute impossibility of NPHC and NPC joining up has ZERO to do with race...unless Black people have a gene that made them create sororities that rush/acquire members the way NPHC groups so. If any of the NPHC sororities decided to drop that model, NPC would tell them come on in. They're huge!! They'd be crazy not to! I'm pretty sure the smallest NPHC group absolutely dwarfs (dwarves?) the largest NPC group.

With deference to DrPhil's answer above, I again, offer my explanation on this point.

First and foremost NPHC orgs focus is service, not social. My understanding is that the NPC is the opposite. Correct me if I am wrong. Not only is the NPHC focus service, it targets a specific community - the AfAm community. Do we serve others and do others gain from our service? Sure they do. Again, to really understand the true purpose of the NPHC you must understand the crucial reasons why we were founded. We were founded to help resolve issues in the AfAm community, so in this respect it is about race.

Joining a NPHC org (and for any other org) should not be about how you join, but why you join and what you do once you are a member. If you feel that a particular GLO fits what you want to do, join. If not KIM.

[Regina.George]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

That is true...BUT, if they were a chapter of Pi Phi or AOII, they would be S.O.L. No other NPC could come in to rescue them and turn them into a new chapter of say Sigma Kappa or Phi Mu.

Oh for sure, but an organization is not likely to get to the numbers and history required to join the NPC if they can't take care of and nurture the chapters they already have. (I mean that as a general statement for any group.)

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Regina.George

No one was "picking off" their chapters. They weren't properly caring for those chapters and the exasperated members eventually decided to look elsewhere. KBG didn't even have an operational web site for several years and their "new and improved" site is still incomplete. I'm going to say it: here's a history there of neglect and it isn't a matter of the poor little chapters being lured away by the big NPC national siren's song. I sincerely hope KBG has gotten their act together and can look forward to a thriving future, but they had some very dark days there. I don't want to see any Greek organization fail, but like with any relationship, you have to take care of your people.

See this :

Originally Posted by Regina.George

It's always the fat uglies with horrible personality disorders who wouldn't stand a chance of getting a bid to even the lowest tier chapter at a competitive school who feel they are the expert on what Greek life should be.

This means you have zero respect in this conversation. None. So buhbye.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

That is true...BUT, if they were a chapter of Pi Phi or AOII, they would be S.O.L. No other NPC could come in to rescue them and turn them into a new chapter of say Sigma Kappa or Phi Mu.

Exactly. I'm not saying chapters would never close, or go local, or even go local and later affiliate/be absorbed, but the incentive for active members to make that vote is removed. And ultimately the troll's point above doesn't matter. NPCs fail to take care of chapters well and lose them all the time. But they're shuttered, and given the opportunity to rebuild later. Other national chapters don't get that respect and I think it's something that should change.

[Regina.George]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

See this :


This means you have zero respect in this conversation. None. So buhbye.


Exactly. I'm not saying chapters would never close, or go local, or even go local and later affiliate/be absorbed, but the incentive for active members to make that vote is removed. And ultimately the troll's point above doesn't matter. NPCs fail to take care of chapters well and lose them all the time. But they're shuttered, and given the opportunity to rebuild later. Other national chapters don't get that respect and I think it's something that should change.

Yet Petunia continues to respond to me.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by psy

WTF?

Just a few posts after the one you responded to, sigmadiva, in response to IrishLake, made clear that she wasn't implying that NPC orgs have no history, tradition, legacy or place in the community.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Yeah, I know. I just did not know how else to describe it.

Hence, IrishLake's response to you -- sigmadiva had already addressed your concern.

[33girl]

Regardless of whether KBG nationals was a giant box of hair, IMO from what people on here said - including people included with those 2 chapters - the women in the chapters didn't seem to understand the gravity of what they were doing and if they didn't, the older and wiser NPCs colonizing them should have told them. It's the same as if you're pledging a chapter that closes and take a bid from another place. Yes you are entitled and allowed to do that and no you don't have to say anything to your ex-soon-to-be chapter, but it's the good and kind thing to do.

Dr Phil & sigmadiva - I read this on a local mb the other night and was waiting for a GC discussion to slip it into...this seems as good a place as any.

a lotta people think that's the end of racism, when white kids treat black kids as pigmented whites.
which is extremely similar to 'gays against marriage'; we're not the same and we don't want to be.

Truth?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Dr Phil & sigmadiva - I read this on a local mb the other night and was waiting for a GC discussion to slip it into...this seems as good a place as any.

a lotta people think that's the end of racism, when white kids treat black kids as pigmented whites.
which is extremely similar to 'gays against marriage'; we're not the same and we don't want to be.

Truth?

It is no way similar to "gays against marriage," but there is nothing wrong with separation as long as it is based on equal opportunity and equal choice.

[SWTXBelle]

I would use a sports analogy:

Both teams play a sport; One team is playing basketball, one team is playing football. Different rules, different ball, different uniforms - but both are undoubtedly sports teams. Neither one is "better" - just different.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I would use a sports analogy:

Both teams play a sport; One team is playing basketball, one team is playing football. Different rules, different ball, different uniforms - but both are undoubtedly sports teams. Neither one is "better" - just different.

We are both playing basketball; or both playing football. We just have different coaches and different playing strategies.

[SWTXBelle]

Our drafts are also much different . . .

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Our drafts are also much different . . .

I guess.

I just don't like the analogy of playing different sports because that exaggerates our differences and supports why Greek Life and Student Affairs offices at many predominantly white institutions don't know what to do with GLOs that are non-NPC and non-NIC.

"Greetings, First Year students! We have 15 wonderfulllll sororities and fraternities; and 10 historically Black, Hispanic, and Asian sororities and fraternities. That's a total of 25 sororities and fraternities. Fifteen of which are wonderfullllll!!"