The 2008 presidential field at-a-glance - Page 7

scbelle · #1 02-13-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skylark

I think that McCain's comment was worse, actually. Pimping, taken literally, might be a bad thing to imply, but I've generally heard the word "pimping" used in everyday conversation to mean something to the effect of "sending someone out to do work for you." McCain's comment was mean spirited, reminiscent of a 3rd grade bully, and completely insensitive towards the gender expectations that both straight and lesbian women have to deal with on a regular basis.

Also, while Shuster's comment was inappropriate as well, his name's not going to be on the ballot this fall.

ETA: Just realized the link is from a comment made 10 years ago (I know, I should RIF). While I'm still a little put off, lord knows in a span of any given 10 years most of us have said things we wish we hadn't.

You know, I agree with you. I reread my post to figure out where your comment was coming from... I said that McCain's comment paled in comparison, when I meant to say that Shuster's comment was pale in comparison to McCain's. I'm gonna fix it pronto.

nittanyalum · #2 02-13-2008, 02:58 PM

In the "jokes and attitude" vein, here are some HI-larious jokes about Huckabee's scary attitudes... http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...e=man-of-faith

Chuck Norris · #3 02-13-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum

In the "jokes and attitude" vein, here are some HI-larious jokes about Huckabee's scary attitudes... http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...e=man-of-faith

Chuck Norris didn't approve of that clip, but he browsed around and found one he did like: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...ckabee-is-real

Watch the whole thing!

nittanyalum · #4 02-13-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris

Chuck Norris didn't approve of that clip, but he browsed around and found one he did like: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...ckabee-is-real

Watch the whole thing!

LOL, I almost posted that one too but didn't want the one about Huckabee's views too overshadowed by your awesomeness, Chuck.

And man, I knew you were cool, but Chuck, you drove OUT OF YOUR OWN GRAVE???!!?! That's beyond cool.

DaemonSeid · #5 02-13-2008, 03:41 PM

Some inane McCain-isms...enjoy!!

"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." March 2000

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

On April 1, 2007, McCain and a congressional delegation strolled the streets of Baghdad with a massive armored escort. There were 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawk helicopters and 2 Apache Gunships accompanying the delegation, with snipers watching over them. After walking through the Shorja market in Baghdad under the tight security, McCain claimed that there “are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods, today.” In a press conference after his Baghdad tour, McCain told a reporter that his visit to the market today was proof that you could indeed “walk freely” in some areas of Baghdad.

Watch it here: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/01/mccain-iraq-stroll/

“Americans are very frustrated, and they have every right to be. We’ve wasted a lot of our most precious treasure, which is American lives.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17403640/

"I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who has a grounding in my faith," the GOP presidential hopeful told the Web site in an interview published Saturday.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/...ion/index.html

At a Republican fund-raiser, he jokingly asked "Why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly." His answer was that "Janet Reno was the father."

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...cain_apologiz/

In response to the question, Mr. McCain said that he was not going to take a position that it was proper “to declare divorces invalid because of someone who feels they weren’t treated fairly in court; we are getting into a tar-baby of enormous proportions and I don’t know how you get out of that.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...r-baby-moment/

KSig RC · #6 02-13-2008, 04:19 PM

Daemon, this is exactly why I asked - of course I can use the freaking Internet, I just wanted to see what you thought was so ridiculous. Remember - you made the claim, YOU have to back it up. Those are the rules of discussion, dude. Seriously.

Of these:

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Some inane McCain-isms...enjoy!!

"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." March 2000

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml

On April 1, 2007, McCain and a congressional delegation strolled the streets of Baghdad with a massive armored escort. There were 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawk helicopters and 2 Apache Gunships accompanying the delegation, with snipers watching over them. After walking through the Shorja market in Baghdad under the tight security, McCain claimed that there “are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods, today.” In a press conference after his Baghdad tour, McCain told a reporter that his visit to the market today was proof that you could indeed “walk freely” in some areas of Baghdad.

Watch it here: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/01/mccain-iraq-stroll/

“Americans are very frustrated, and they have every right to be. We’ve wasted a lot of our most precious treasure, which is American lives.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17403640/

"I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who has a grounding in my faith," the GOP presidential hopeful told the Web site in an interview published Saturday.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/...ion/index.html

At a Republican fund-raiser, he jokingly asked "Why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly." His answer was that "Janet Reno was the father."

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...cain_apologiz/

In response to the question, Mr. McCain said that he was not going to take a position that it was proper “to declare divorces invalid because of someone who feels they weren’t treated fairly in court; we are getting into a tar-baby of enormous proportions and I don’t know how you get out of that.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...r-baby-moment/

The Chelsea Clinton joke is marginal - it's out of line, but it's the kind of joke that people make every day without second thought. It is only "bad" because of his stature, which doesn't really excite or interest me.

The two racial incidents are issues - I'm not sure whether "tarbaby" is used in a fashion that would make sense here in other parts of the country, so I can't really speak, but obviously the term "gook" is inappropriate, even considering his imprisonment. He's noted he was speaking only about his captors, and while being a POW must have sucked and I can't really expect him to forget or ignore that, he should probably never use that term in public. However, there was no outcry by Asian-American groups about his campaign, so I'm not sure where to go from here. These two are the actual issues - not a Janet Reno joke, of which similar jokes were made every night on national television.

However, the rest? Seriously? You're reaching badly - stick to the racial slurs, and not "walking through the streets of Baghdad." What do you expect the guy to say?

skylark · #7 02-13-2008, 03:44 PM

holy racial slurs batman

DaemonSeid · #8 02-13-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by skylark

holy racial slurs batman

Hey... K Sig asked...

skylark · #9 02-13-2008, 11:22 PM

Wow. Snopes is pretty fast on this crap.

DaemonSeid · #10 02-13-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by skylark

Wow. Snopes is pretty fast on this crap.

actually now it makes sense...I tried to open the source link a while ago and kept getting a 'denied access' screen.....

nittanyalum · #11 02-13-2008, 11:35 PM

^^^Ok, then can you go back and delete those posts? It doesn't seem appropriate to keep false and crazy-ass-ridiculous stuff like that out there...

DaemonSeid · #12 02-14-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum

^^^Ok, then can you go back and delete those posts? It doesn't seem appropriate to keep false and crazy-ass-ridiculous stuff like that out there...

done....

mystikchick · #13 02-13-2008, 11:36 PM

I didn't know what seemed odder - the Klan endorsing Obama for president or the fact that they vote Democratic

nittanyalum · #14 02-15-2008, 02:51 PM

^^^That's why I said "for anyone concerned" -- yes, I concur it's mainly Obama supporters that are concerned because Hillary still has more superdelegates pledged to her -- if you're not one of those concerned, feel free to ignore. I myself am still not 100% decided, so I'm not trying to tacitly or outright push either candidate, I just wanted to alert those who are sensitive to the issue that this "push" is going on out there.

Certainly didn't mean to make you lose your lunch, there, KSig. Apologies.

KSig RC · #15 02-15-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum

^^^That's why I said "for anyone concerned" -- yes, I concur it's mainly Obama supporters that are concerned because Hillary still has more superdelegates pledged to her -- if you're not one of those concerned, feel free to ignore. I myself am still not 100% decided, so I'm not trying to tacitly or outright push either candidate, I just wanted to alert those who are sensitive to the issue that this "push" is going on out there.

Certainly didn't mean to make you lose your lunch, there, KSig. Apologies.

Well, I didn't know this part:

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Originally Posted by scbelle

Well, they DID endorse him a couple of weeks ago...

So it's not as bad as I thought - at least it's not under any sort of guise of indifference. Still, it's designed to look "neutral" to observers who have no affiliation or knowledge of MoveOn, almost as if it is intended to be linked to those without knowledge of MoveOn's agenda, and who may or may not understand the implication of their cry to be "democratic" in the nomination process.

I think it's shitty, lowbrow and cheesy - which is pretty much every prior reason why I've abhorred MoveOn.org in the past. As proof: if they openly support Obama, why doesn't it explain why this would be a good thing for Obama?