The Murder of Trayvon Martin

[barbino]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Rep. Bobby Rush gets kicked off the floor for wearing a hoodie.

I salute you sir...

And make sure you listen to the end of the video

This is great. Kudos to Rep. Bobby Rush of Chicago.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

And make sure you listen to the end of the video

The audio at the very end is cut off - I heard, "Pers...". I tried another link and it was cut off in the same place. Was there something else you were wanting us to listen to, or was it the rule against wearing a hat/hood that you were talking about?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

was it the rule against wearing a hat/hood that you were talking about?

^^ That...because of course someone will come along and say "well he should have been kicked out, I don't see the problem" and "well he WAS out of order."

but...so is shooting unarmed kids in Florida with a registered firearm and not being arrested for it.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

^^ That...because of course someone will come along and say "well he should have been kicked out, I don't see the problem" and "well he WAS out of order."

but...so is shooting unarmed kids in Florida with a registered firearm and not being arrested for it.

Ok, gotcha. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

[Psi U MC Vito]

I'm surprised there is no reference to standing on the street corners rapping.

[PiKA2001]

I'd look into getting my mortgage paid off (lawsuit) courtesy of Spike Lee if I were them.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...rge-zimmermans

[DaemonSeid]

Looks good for a guy that got beaten up by a 17 year old

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03...hooting-video/


http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/georg...lance-16024475

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Looks good for a guy that got beaten up by a 17 year old

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03...hooting-video/


http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/georg...lance-16024475

He was arrested? I hadn't heard that. Earlier reports that I've read stated that he was never detained and he was pretty much allowed to go straight home from the shooting.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if this was just a hoax put on by the media to fuck with us and there was no shooting and Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman never existed.

But all seriousness, I think I'm going to refrain from reading into any new "leaks" or "eye-witness accounts" and just wait for the official report to come out because all of the misinformation is just getting annoying.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

He was arrested? I hadn't heard that. Earlier reports that I've read stated that he was never detained and he was pretty much allowed to go straight home from the shooting.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if this was just a hoax put on by the media to fuck with us and there was no shooting and Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman never existed.

But all seriousness, I think I'm going to refrain from reading into any new "leaks" or "eye-witness accounts" and just wait for the official report to come out because all of the misinformation is just getting annoying.

No, just taken into custody but not formally charged with anything

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

He was arrested? I hadn't heard that. Earlier reports that I've read stated that he was never detained and he was pretty much allowed to go straight home from the shooting.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if this was just a hoax put on by the media to fuck with us and there was no shooting and Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman never existed.

But all seriousness, I think I'm going to refrain from reading into any new "leaks" or "eye-witness accounts" and just wait for the official report to come out because all of the misinformation is just getting annoying.

Which is what everyone should've done to begin with instead of drawing conclusions on their own. We're all guilty of this but we all also need to remember innocent till proven guilty. I have a feeling that he will eventually be arrested and charged, they're just investigating everything to a T so they don't end up with another Casey Anthony situation. It's the same as a murder investigation going on in Grosse Pointe up here. Why hasn't the husband been arrested yet? Probably because they don't wana eff things up.

Another child was found murdered this morning in Detroit. It's beginning to be one almost every week now. I'd love to see the outpouring for Detroit's children that this case is getting.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Which is what everyone should've done to begin with instead of drawing conclusions on their own. We're all guilty of this but we all also need to remember innocent till proven guilty. I have a feeling that he will eventually be arrested and charged, they're just investigating everything to a T so they don't end up with another Casey Anthony situation. It's the same as a murder investigation going on in Grosse Pointe up here. Why hasn't the husband been arrested yet? Probably because they don't wana eff things up.

Another child was found murdered this morning in Detroit. It's beginning to be one almost every week now. I'd love to see the outpouring for Detroit's children that this case is getting.

Are you talking about the woman that was found in the trunk of her car? I remember seeing the story on FB about a month ago but I hadn't anything since.

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Which is what everyone should've done to begin with instead of drawing conclusions on their own. We're all guilty of this but we all also need to remember innocent till proven guilty. I have a feeling that he will eventually be arrested and charged, they're just investigating everything to a T so they don't end up with another Casey Anthony situation. It's the same as a murder investigation going on in Grosse Pointe up here. Why hasn't the husband been arrested yet? Probably because they don't wana eff things up.

I disagree. In this case, particularly, it's an open question as to whether this case would even have reached this point without the policitial/social media pressure that has been brought to bear. As it is, we have seen 32 days come and go since Trayvon Martin's death and still are without an arrest. I can't think of a parent who would give a da*m about anybody else's conclusions were they living that nightmare.

Opinions flow freely on GC and in the nation. Excluding the jurors, people can and do draw conclusions about a wide range of things. This thread won't hurt anybody's defense nor will it prove/disprove anybody's innocence. It does, however, give those capable and interested the opportunity to explore issues at a deeper level.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Are you talking about the woman that was found in the trunk of her car? I remember seeing the story on FB about a month ago but I hadn't anything since.

Yeah Rick it's pretty crazy. The husband obviously took advantage of a man who had mental disabilities and violence/creepy problems, promised him things to kill his wife. But the husband hasn't been arrested yet, despite the blood found in the garage and all details the man confessed to pretty much being proven. People were pissed but I think the authorities just don't wana screw something up.

Originally Posted by TonyB06

I disagree. In this case, particularly, it's an open question as to whether this case would even have reached this point without the policitial/social media pressure that has been brought to bear. As it is, we have seen 32 days come and go since Trayvon Martin's death and still are without an arrest. I can't think of a parent who would give a da*m about anybody else's conclusions were they living that nightmare.

Opinions flow freely on GC and in the nation. Excluding the jurors, people can and do draw conclusions about a wide range of things. This thread won't hurt anybody's defense nor will it prove/disprove anybody's innocence. It does, however, give those capable and interested the opportunity to explore issues at a deeper level.

Tony, his parents obviously do care. They are making their rounds and getting his name copywritten so they can make money off the t-shirts. Anyone I know who's child was murdered would be too distraught to travel around and make appearances, but I guess people mourn in different ways.

I wasn't talking about GC drawing conclusions. Everyone is having a discussion and sometimes debating facts. I'm talking about the public as a whole, and when Al, Jesse, the New Black Panther party (everytime I think of it, it reminds me of Forrest Gump), Spike Lee's dumbass, and all these other celebrities speaking out and convicting someone before all the fact are out there. That brings it to a whole new level. For these celebrities and politicians, it's just something to make them look good. Something to "stand up for". If they really cared about young black men being murdered, then get your asses out there and DO something about it.

I don't know what's going on in other towns, but like I mentioned before there is a child murdered almost every week in Detroit because of gang violence or whatever other reason people feel the need to play God. Two women were kidnapped by one's ex boyfriend and their bodies were just found. But Jesse comes here NOT to fight against the violence in our town, but to stand up for the Detroiters who are fighting against having an Emergency Financial Manager because they're afraid their union goodies will be taken away and all their corruption will be stopped.

These celebrities have other agendas, and that's to jump on board with whatever cause is going to make them look good. It's sickening and they, and the media, are making a circus show of this boy's death. I mean really, how do you take Mike Tyson talking about this situation seriously after watching The Hangover?

[DrPhil]

I was quite disappointed in Spike Lee. No amount of apologies, even monetary, can make me respect Spike Lee like I used to.

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Soledad O'Brien hosts a townhall meeting:

Beyond Trayvon: Race & Justice In America on Friday, March 30th at 8p and 10p ET on CNN.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You need to educate yourself on what social activists like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have been doing. Both Sharpton and Jackson are still quite active. You can disagree with them all you want to but saying that these vocal people are not DOING something is completely false.

Moreover, when it comes to Black people and racial and ethnic minorities in general, the public expects for everything to be an overt, public announcement of activity. "ALERT!! ALERT!! Black people are doing positive things in the community!!! ALERT!!! ALERT!!!!" That is not how it works the majority of the time. There are both overt and more subtle actions and moves toward change being taken by social activists, community leaders, researchers, etc. These positive moves toward social change take decades to come to fruition and they do not require the general public's seal of approval.



Again, you need to educate yourself on what Jesse Jackson does:

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/03/...ms-never-came/

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/03/...arlie-langton/

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...esse_jack.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1179946.html

I read the CBS local article. For some reason the others won't open at work. He's not a Detroiter. This has nothing to do with him. He has no investment in Detroit so why get involved? Would you hand someone with a lying and spending problem a couple million? The money was promised to Detroit under circumstances that were fulfilled but the city (and council) are complete eff ups and can't control anything. You think that money would actually go to help the fire and police departments or anything else that could HELP the city? Where's all the money that they had? It's like giving a homeless person a $20 to go buy some food and they go buy drugs instead. This is one actual good thing that Rick Snyder is trying to do for the state/Detroit and because people are scared of what would be uncovered, all he gets is friction, residents singing freedom songs, and a Pastor calling white supremacy and telling people to burn the city down before an EFM takes over. No one wants to move to Detroit because it's too dangerous to even DRIVE through there anymore. Perhaps Reverend Jackson should stay the night in one of those neighborhoods and then we'll see what his opinion is.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I was quite disappointed in Spike Lee. No amount of apologies, even monetary, can make me respect Spike Lee like I used to.

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Soledad O'Brien hosts a townhall meeting:

Beyond Trayvon: Race & Justice In America on Friday, March 30th at 8p and 10p ET on CNN.

This I completely agree with. I don't care if it's Jefferey Dahmer's address, or an Al Qaida terrorist, you just don't DO that because inevitably an innocent person will get hurt.

I never understood parents and family making rounds right after the death. Or even when someone's loved one dies and they're on the news sobbing that their baby's been killed. Lay your loved one to rest and then take on the world in their name. But like I said, people mourn in different ways. I don't have to understand it.

ETA: I got the MLive article to open. Yes, more jobs will reduce crime, but people need to WANT to work. We have so many good people who call our company looking for any kind of work and they do a great job. Then you have the people looking for any kind of work, get it, and then don't show up or call off for whatever reason they can find. I do agree with his idea of reviving hope in Detroit, but the city's BS needs to be cleaned up to get that hope going. There's no reason someone should die because the ambulance is broken down and can't get to the hospital (or to the residence) or a house to burn down because the water pump on the truck isn't working and all the fire department can do is stand there helplessly watching and doing what they can.

Sorry I didn't mean to bring this all off topic.