Getting a Bid from Someone You Didn't Pref - Page 4

gpb1874 · #46 08-30-2006, 02:41 PM

Ok, just had to comment here on this thread, which is something since I haven't done that in a while.

I have witnessed situations where a pnm doesn't get a bid from one of the chapters listed on her pref card. This is always (at my campus) because the chapters she did list hit quota. Another chapter is still really interested in her and decides it's worth a shot to keep her on their list. After bid matching, she is essentially snap bid by the other chapter. She may have dropped them b/c she didn't like them or b/c she didn't attend their events b/c she had to cut chapters, even if she were interested in them. Since she did not list that chapter on her pref card, it is not a binding bid and she can say no and then go to COB and COR events in the spring. Panehl should call her and tell her what is up. She should not show up to bid day with a bid from a chapter she did not list.

I do have to disagree with the comment that greek advisors should not be present at bid matching. I want to know what is going on with the system that I manage and I'm usually the one mediating the matching (reading the cards and that whole process). I don't understand why the gree or panhel advisor would not be present. I know there are some greek advisors who are a little off kilter, but there's nothing saying that HQ staff or chapter advisors are not the same way. The GA can be the neutral 3rd party that helps to keep everything in balance and to make sure all possibilities to match women are explored and to overcome blocks that may form. As always, there may be exceptions. I can just tell you that anywhere I work as a Greek Advisor, I better not have anyone tell me that I cannot be present during bid matching.

proudmom · #47 08-30-2006, 06:59 PM

This did happen to my daughter. She didn't even go to any pref parties so she didn't sign a bid card but she received a bid from a group anyway, which she (I hope politely!) declined.

adpiucf · #48 08-30-2006, 08:42 PM

UCFStefanie-- did you rank Theta number one on your bid card, and Chapter AB second, after you attended prefs at Chapter AB? That could account for how you received a bid to Theta. The UCF PX's aren't in the room during bid matching, so there wouldn't have been any way for them to know. Either way, I'm very happy you got your bid and became a part of the UCF Theta sisterhood!

UCFStefanie · #49 08-30-2006, 11:28 PM

adpiucf You know it is all a blur at the moment to be honest.

I was quite upset that I only went to one pref and I didnt vote when other PNMs voted. I wrote down my rank and gave them to my rho gamma and she input them into the computer for me so that I did not have to wait around an hour and a half while the other PNMs went to a pref.

At one point she told me that if I didnt put group AB first that I would not get a bid so I went back and forth in my head on which group to put first.

I am assuming that I put Theta first thought because group AB is not a group at that typically gets quota

MBurden · #50 09-03-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SigK_Bama

I've kind of been through this, but as an initiate on the other side of rush.

When I was President, we had four girls walk into our suite on bid day who we had cut on the first day. We were all shocked and it was really hard to get over it. We discovered that Panhellenic, at the urging of some random alumnae who had been sent by NHQ to help us with rush, had added those girls to our bid lists because they thought we needed the numbers. None of us in the chapter were told - not me as President and not our VPM. In short, we were pissed. On the other hand, the four girls were thrilled to be in our suite because they had all been dropped during the week. They were expecting not to get bids, but had received calls from the Greek Life office that morning telling them that they did, in fact, get bids.

It was a horrible experience, and after these alums found out how upset we were, they left town that same day and never came back to our chapter again.

Just out of curiosity, how were these ladies as members?

carnation · #51 09-03-2006, 01:50 PM

SigK_Bama addressed that earlier in the thread.

SigKapSweetie · #52 09-12-2006, 02:02 PM

I'm very surprised by this. If I'd opened my bid on Bid Day and found a bid from a chapter I'd dropped, I would've been devastated. These girls deserved a phone call at the very least.

SigK_Bama, when I joined our chapter we were one of the smaller houses on campus. I was the recruitment chair my junior year, and we emphasized the same thing we'd been insisting on for years - quality over quantity. It paid off: for the past two years, our chapter has made quota plus with women they truly wanted as sisters. Our recruitment advisors wholeheartedly supported our philosophy. If one of them had tried to pull a stunt like yours did, I don't know what we would've done. Talk about not acting in the best interest of the chapter! You and your sisters should've been given the final choice in the matter, because it's your chapter. I'd be beyond outraged!

GtownGirl98 · #53 09-15-2006, 11:49 AM

During my time... we had a serial rusher... she would rush every year because TUV would tell her that this would be the year she would get a bid and every year they would find other girls who ranked higher and every year she would go back to the same group... until finally her jr or sr year she got her wish... talk about bid promising... but it was the only group she wanted and would turn down everyone else. I just always felt bad for her.

That is the problem we have with deferred recruitment... the school adm wants the freshman to have a semester without letters (but they have them in the form of dirty rushing) and retention for the school would be higher because they girls would find a home right away.

Also I think that quota additions do only help the "top" groups, unless all the groups are hitting quota. But I also think that if a PNM plays by the rules, then they should get a bid. I do like the release figure system based on previous proformance.

As to the topic at hand...

I have never heard of this and these are all really horrible stories but maybe it is the schools way of modified quota additions... they are just trying to give a bid to all the girls that played by the rules without giving the chapters with quota additional numbers. It isn't right but ... maybe some campuses with only 3 or 4 chapters could use this... especially if they have to drop chapters just because they have to eliminate groups... but the girls really wouldn't care what group they joined, as long as they joined a group... not like the serial bid promised girl.

Buttonz · #54 09-15-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GtownGirl98

but the girls really wouldn't care what group they joined, as long as they joined a group... not like the serial bid promised girl.

While I agree some girls just want to wear letters no matter the letters, I think mot girls do care about what group they join. If I got a bid from a group that I didn't like at all, why would I go ahead and accept the bid? This would lead to the full number o bids being given out and chapters falling short of quota because of girls not accepting the bid.

TxGirl · #55 09-23-2006, 01:31 AM

Back to beginning topic. At The University of Texas they have guaranteed placement. This means that if you maximize your options for each round - including pref where you can go to 3 but are only required to go to 2 - you are guaranteed a bid. This bid will be from one of the groups you attended at pref. What this means is that the groups that make quota (a chapter won't get women through guaranteed placement if they don't make quota) get quota addtion on steriods. It's not limited to 5% per chapter. I don't recall what all the rules to matching the women (smallest chapter and all that). This has been going on at UT for at least 10 years. They took it from another campus.

I've also heard of the other mentioned case where you could get a bid from a group you only saw during open house. A fellow advisor had a daughter that went through recruitment at Texas Christian University (TCU) and they apparently did this. You were guaranteed a bid, but it could be to any chapter on campus, not just the ones you visited on pref.

Buttonz · #56 09-23-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TxGirl

Back to beginning topic. At The University of Texas they have guaranteed placement. This means that if you maximize your options for each round - including pref where you can go to 3 but are only required to go to 2 - you are guaranteed a bid. This bid will be from one of the groups you attended at pref. What this means is that the groups that make quota (a chapter won't get women through guaranteed placement if they don't make quota) get quota addtion on steriods. It's not limited to 5% per chapter. I don't recall what all the rules to matching the women (smallest chapter and all that). This has been going on at UT for at least 10 years. They took it from another campus.
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I've heard of this before, and I like this way of doing things. And seeing as how the bid comes from a group that the PNM atteneded at pref, I don't see a problem with it. Except for one thing: what if the girl waso nly nvited back to two prefs? Then what happens?

UGAalum94 · #57 09-23-2006, 03:34 PM

Since the girls only match to someone they preffed, is the reason that groups who don't make quota don't get additions that they've already gone through the bid list and matched everyone they could already?

I don't want to see PNM forced to joined groups they don't want (or face penalties for not accepting a bid to someone they don't want), but it seems to me that quota additions and guaranteed matching should be designed to favor the groups who didn't make quota or who are already the smallest.

If not, aren't the big just going to get bigger and the small smaller?

OR we could have a system that just let everyone issue as many bids as they wanted to. That'd be okay with me too, but seems contrary to the policies and goals of NPC.

This question goes way beyond the scope of anything I'm really entitled to know, but could an official rush advisor anonymously post modified data on a schools rush to basically show how different systems work? Like make up group names and return rates, and walk up through what happens at schools with different systems? I'll post this questions in the quota additions thread too, and if the moderator wants to delete here, I'll understand.

carnation · #58 09-23-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

I don't want to see PNM forced to joined groups they don't want (or face penalties for not accepting a bid to someone they don't want), but it seems to me that quota additions and guaranteed matching should be designed to favor the groups who didn't make quota or who are already the smallest.

If not, aren't the big just going to get bigger and the small smaller?

Many, many of the smaller groups on big campuses are enlarging by means of the new release figures.With those, I've seen sororities that were never close to quota just a few years ago hit quota regularly. Since quota additions seem to be done in various ways, I have no clue about that--but for sure, release figures are helping the smaller ones.

UGAalum94 · #59 09-23-2006, 05:33 PM

It surely would seem to help the small chapters, but the situation that TxGirl described basically cut the non-quota making groups out of the process, I thought.

But I guess if quota additions are only for girls who maximized options, the girls who preffed the smaller chapters would have already matched to them through regular big matching or they wouldn't be eligible for quota additions because they didn't list the smaller group on the bid card.

Do school still give girls the option to "regret with interest" when they've been invited back to more pref parties than the schedule allows them to attend?

Would it be considered bad form or prohibited for groups who were interesed in a girl who declined their pref. party in favor of another "with interest" to put this girl on their bid list? Is this situation partially what happens when girls match where they don't pref?

In that case girls could still create back up options (sort of a way to say, "I'd take snap bids from these other groups" in advance) without being at the mercy of Greek life.

BamaDad DZ · #60 09-24-2006, 04:20 PM

At the University of Alabama, my daughter received more invitations back than she could attend at each stage, including six invitations for preference day when she was allowed only three. During each round she was able to decline "with interest" which I assume permitted her to be eligible for re-consideration if things didn't work out with her original selections.