Getting a Bid from Someone You Didn't Pref

[TxGirl]

Back to beginning topic. At The University of Texas they have guaranteed placement. This means that if you maximize your options for each round - including pref where you can go to 3 but are only required to go to 2 - you are guaranteed a bid. This bid will be from one of the groups you attended at pref. What this means is that the groups that make quota (a chapter won't get women through guaranteed placement if they don't make quota) get quota addtion on steriods. It's not limited to 5% per chapter. I don't recall what all the rules to matching the women (smallest chapter and all that). This has been going on at UT for at least 10 years. They took it from another campus.

I've also heard of the other mentioned case where you could get a bid from a group you only saw during open house. A fellow advisor had a daughter that went through recruitment at Texas Christian University (TCU) and they apparently did this. You were guaranteed a bid, but it could be to any chapter on campus, not just the ones you visited on pref.

[Buttonz]

Originally Posted by TxGirl

Back to beginning topic. At The University of Texas they have guaranteed placement. This means that if you maximize your options for each round - including pref where you can go to 3 but are only required to go to 2 - you are guaranteed a bid. This bid will be from one of the groups you attended at pref. What this means is that the groups that make quota (a chapter won't get women through guaranteed placement if they don't make quota) get quota addtion on steriods. It's not limited to 5% per chapter. I don't recall what all the rules to matching the women (smallest chapter and all that). This has been going on at UT for at least 10 years. They took it from another campus.
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I've heard of this before, and I like this way of doing things. And seeing as how the bid comes from a group that the PNM atteneded at pref, I don't see a problem with it. Except for one thing: what if the girl waso nly nvited back to two prefs? Then what happens?

[UGAalum94]

Since the girls only match to someone they preffed, is the reason that groups who don't make quota don't get additions that they've already gone through the bid list and matched everyone they could already?

I don't want to see PNM forced to joined groups they don't want (or face penalties for not accepting a bid to someone they don't want), but it seems to me that quota additions and guaranteed matching should be designed to favor the groups who didn't make quota or who are already the smallest.

If not, aren't the big just going to get bigger and the small smaller?

OR we could have a system that just let everyone issue as many bids as they wanted to. That'd be okay with me too, but seems contrary to the policies and goals of NPC.

This question goes way beyond the scope of anything I'm really entitled to know, but could an official rush advisor anonymously post modified data on a schools rush to basically show how different systems work? Like make up group names and return rates, and walk up through what happens at schools with different systems? I'll post this questions in the quota additions thread too, and if the moderator wants to delete here, I'll understand.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

I don't want to see PNM forced to joined groups they don't want (or face penalties for not accepting a bid to someone they don't want), but it seems to me that quota additions and guaranteed matching should be designed to favor the groups who didn't make quota or who are already the smallest.

If not, aren't the big just going to get bigger and the small smaller?

Many, many of the smaller groups on big campuses are enlarging by means of the new release figures.With those, I've seen sororities that were never close to quota just a few years ago hit quota regularly. Since quota additions seem to be done in various ways, I have no clue about that--but for sure, release figures are helping the smaller ones.

[UGAalum94]

It surely would seem to help the small chapters, but the situation that TxGirl described basically cut the non-quota making groups out of the process, I thought.

But I guess if quota additions are only for girls who maximized options, the girls who preffed the smaller chapters would have already matched to them through regular big matching or they wouldn't be eligible for quota additions because they didn't list the smaller group on the bid card.

Do school still give girls the option to "regret with interest" when they've been invited back to more pref parties than the schedule allows them to attend?

Would it be considered bad form or prohibited for groups who were interesed in a girl who declined their pref. party in favor of another "with interest" to put this girl on their bid list? Is this situation partially what happens when girls match where they don't pref?

In that case girls could still create back up options (sort of a way to say, "I'd take snap bids from these other groups" in advance) without being at the mercy of Greek life.

[BamaDad DZ]

At the University of Alabama, my daughter received more invitations back than she could attend at each stage, including six invitations for preference day when she was allowed only three. During each round she was able to decline "with interest" which I assume permitted her to be eligible for re-consideration if things didn't work out with her original selections.

[TxGirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Do school still give girls the option to "regret with interest" when they've been invited back to more pref parties than the schedule allows them to attend?

Would it be considered bad form or prohibited for groups who were interesed in a girl who declined their pref. party in favor of another "with interest" to put this girl on their bid list? Is this situation partially what happens when girls match where they don't pref?

In that case girls could still create back up options (sort of a way to say, "I'd take snap bids from these other groups" in advance) without being at the mercy of Greek life.

At some campuses you can still regret with interest. I don't know if this is compatable with the RFM. I do know that reinviting a woman that declined your invite to a prior round (even if she was regret with interest) doesn't really work and that it messes up the statistics used.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by TxGirl

At some campuses you can still regret with interest. I don't know if this is compatable with the RFM. I do know that reinviting a woman that declined your invite to a prior round (even if she was regret with interest) doesn't really work and that it messes up the statistics used.

Can you tell me more about this?

Let's imagine a system with first, second, third and prefs. Let's say a PNM receives invites to second round from 10 groups but at her campus, during second round you can only go to eight parties. Let's imagine that she likes almost all the groups, but she has to cut some. Now, imagine that after second round, she's not invited back to the maximum number of parties (let's say four) and she only gets invited back to three. Why would it not work for her to be able to be reinvited by one of the groups that she liked and that liked her if they wanted her to attend? It seems like it would be good all the way around.

I know that there are groups that PNM cut because they know they don't want bids, but if the PNM is still interested once she's cut by other groups and the group is still interested, what's the harm?

I want to stress that I don't think that girls should ever be matched to groups that they haven't indicated they'd take bids from. But why not allow people to keep all their options as long as both parties are interested?

[TxGirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Since the girls only match to someone they preffed, is the reason that groups who don't make quota don't get additions that they've already gone through the bid list and matched everyone they could already?

I don't want to see PNM forced to joined groups they don't want (or face penalties for not accepting a bid to someone they don't want), but it seems to me that quota additions and guaranteed matching should be designed to favor the groups who didn't make quota or who are already the smallest.

If not, aren't the big just going to get bigger and the small smaller?

OR we could have a system that just let everyone issue as many bids as they wanted to. That'd be okay with me too, but seems contrary to the policies and goals of NPC.

This question goes way beyond the scope of anything I'm really entitled to know, but could an official rush advisor anonymously post modified data on a schools rush to basically show how different systems work? Like make up group names and return rates, and walk up through what happens at schools with different systems? I'll post this questions in the quota additions thread too, and if the moderator wants to delete here, I'll understand.

Guaranteed placement only favors those chapters that make quota, so in some instances it could be a case of the big getting bigger. That's how it was at UT. If there is a smaller group that never makes quota - they will never get guaranteed placement. If there was still someone to guarantee place then the smaller group would have had them put on their bid list already.

It does not force them to join a group they do not want - because they should only put down chapters that they attend that they would accept a bid from. If they would accept from any on their card it wouldn't be an issue. Of course we all know that's a perfect world - not the "rush" world where Suzie Rushee has her heart set on XYZ before recruitment events get started!

Carnation makes a good point as well. The new release figure system is allowing more chapters to make quota - some as she said that haven't been there in years.

I haven't looked at UT's numbers since they implemented the new release figure method (RFM) - but I know that it has helped some chapters on that campus. As with anything - all chapters won't improve (i.e. make quota) overnight. But, it the new RFM at least gives them the chance.

[TxGirl]

Originally Posted by Buttonz

I've heard of this before, and I like this way of doing things. And seeing as how the bid comes from a group that the PNM atteneded at pref, I don't see a problem with it. Except for one thing: what if the girl waso nly nvited back to two prefs? Then what happens?

If only invited to two chapters for pref and she goes to those two chapters for pref AND places both of them on her bid card then she is eligible for guaranteed placement. If she only went to one (if that was allowed) or if she only put one on her bid card then she did not maximize b/c she had two options.