oh DAYUM!!! Bush almost got clocked by a SHOE

[AGDee]

I'm not a fan of Bush. I haven't been able to watch him on TV for a couple years now because he makes me angry. I have been counting the days to 01/20/09 for a long time. All that said, I'm deeply bothered by this incident and I would never wish harm on him.

ETA: As much as I thought I'd never agree with Kevin about anything, I agree with the post directly above mine.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

If you disagree...cool.

We are allowed to have a difference of opinion, but to act like a pissy bitch like PhiGam because my opinions differ about Bush and his treatment is on him.
You pissed me off because you stated your indifference towards the DEATH of the President for no other reason then because he disagrees with you politically.

A few gems from he and co. :

" I don't understand where condoning assault on anyone, let alone a public official, makes any sense."

"And for those of you who said you wouldn't be upset if he died... you're retarded. "

"I agree completely. People who think this is funny are, IMO, way out of line."

"You certainly don't have to "feel sorry" for Bush but to say that you wouldn't be saddened if he died is FUCKED UP, "



NO!

It's called practicing my 1st Amendment right!
And nobody is trying to arrest you for it. The first amendment protects from the government suppressing your free speech, not from people calling you out for saying STUPID, CLASSLESS things.

All I am doing is talking about it!
Thats all that anyone is doing on here?

Jeni hit it on the head when she disagreed that all world leaders deserve respect.

If you don't like them...you don't like them.

And you sure as hell can't force someone to feel sorry for them if something happens.

Hell, if anyone is retarded it would be following along with the crowd in either aspect when you know deep down you feel differently!

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[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by Kevin

That's really unfortunate. I think the fact that this man was beaten like this (assuming that's a fact) shows how little progress we've made vis-a-vis changing Iraqi culture. I'm hoping this isn't a "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" sort of situation developing over there, but I fear it is.

4,000+ American lives and countless Iraqi lives have been spent and we still have a government which beats people before affording them a trial or any sort of due process. I don't care what side of the partisan divide you come down on, but that is complete bullshit.

I agree with this statement 99.9999% of the time... but put yourself in their (the security force's) shoes. Your one job is to ensure the safety of the two men at the podium and somebody gets up and begins throwing things at them while yelling. What would your reaction be? I'm not sure that I wouldn't have shot the guy if I thought for a second that the President's life was in danger.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

We are allowed to have a difference of opinion, but to act like a pissy bitch like PhiGam because my opinions differ about Bush and his treatment is on him.

Actually, DS, you're the one who is acting like a pissy bitch.

You can hate the man, but you should respect the office. It's a shame that our President is so disliked. But it shouldn't be acceptable for any American to support an assault on our President. Like KSigkid said, there are several posters in this thread who don't much care for Bush (myself included). The problem as I see it isn't that people have differing opinions regarding whether or not they like Bush, it's the differing opinions regarding how anyone who holds that office (whether they're liked or not) should be treated. The assault of a US President shouldn't be condoned by Americans. Ever.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I agree with this statement 99.9999% of the time... but put yourself in their (the security force's) shoes. Your one job is to ensure the safety of the two men at the podium and somebody gets up and begins throwing things at them while yelling. What would your reaction be? I'm not sure that I wouldn't have shot the guy if I thought for a second that the President's life was in danger.

If they thought for a second that the President's life was in danger, they would have been within their rights to shoot the man. Since they didn't do that, they didn't think he was that much of a threat anymore.

There is no possible justification for that sort of beating, IMHO.

I'll bet that under Islamic Law, (Iraq is some sort of quasi-civil/quasi-Islamic legal system, right?) there will be some sort of awful punishment for this man. Let him have his trial, then let justice be done.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

You pissed me off because you stated your indifference towards the DEATH of the President for no other reason then because he disagrees with you politically.

Oh boo hoo...you want a hanky for it?

Originally Posted by SydneyK

You can hate the man, but you should respect the office. It's a shame that our President is so disliked. But it shouldn't be acceptable for any American to support an assault on our President. Like KSigkid said, there are several posters in this thread who don't much care for Bush (myself included). The problem as I see it isn't that people have differing opinions regarding whether or not they like Bush, it's the differing opinions regarding how anyone who holds that office (whether they're liked or not) should be treated. The assault of a US President shouldn't be condoned by Americans. Ever.

Why is it a shame? You think Bush is blameless on what people think of him? If he doesn't respect the office and IMO he hasn't, they why do you think people around the world are doing the things that they do?

Maybe you need to peep his approval ratings.

And while you are busy being pissed at my cavalier comments about Bush, maybe you ought to peep this:

Iraq's reconstruction a 100-billion failure

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081214...reconstruction

Talk about a Bridge to Nowhere.....

[SydneyK]

Again:
The assault on a US President shouldn't be condoned by Americans. Ever.
That's all I'm sayin'.

[DolphinChicaDDD]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'll bet that under Islamic Law, (Iraq is some sort of quasi-civil/quasi-Islamic legal system, right?) there will be some sort of awful punishment for this man. Let him have his trial, then let justice be done.

Sharia Law is what you are probably thinking about. It covers pretty much everything, so I'm sure there is something in there about assaulting world leaders. And if there isn't, I'm sure there will be a meeting of a group of scholars who will debate and determine an appropriate outcome. And usually, that outcome is not a very nice one.

Just to bring it up, I'm not sure if anyone on here realizes the seriousness of shoes, particularly throwing them, in Islamic cultures. Shoes, and feet in general, are considered dirty and distasteful particularly the soles. Based on that fact alone, I am sure he will be punished accordingly.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Again:
The assault on a US President shouldn't be condoned by Americans. Ever.
That's all I'm sayin'.

And I will say it too...I AGREE....BUT....BUT!!!

BUSH BROUGHT IT ON HIMSELF and if he wasn't such a JOKE and failure of a President, more of us would feel a twinge of sympathy, heck, if the job was getting done in Iraq, it probably would not have happened.

As it stands, I don't.

Hate me if you will.

Just have to let it be...

[nittanyalum]

Yeah, I'll admit that my husband and I had a quick giggle as he dodged the second shoe after we gasped after the first one was launched, but we both sobered up about it quickly. Regardless of who is in office, when the President is out of country visiting other nations he *IS* the US. So as Americans, we should feel some protective reaction about anybody taking a pot shot at our Commander in Chief. Again, regardless of the man in the seat, that's the US Presidency. Its like that old adage about how I can bitch and moan all I want about my family but don't you dare say something against them because they're MY family.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Oh boo hoo...you want a hanky for it?



Why is it a shame? You think Bush is blameless on what people think of him? If he doesn't respect the office and IMO he hasn't, they why do you think people around the world are doing the things that they do?

Maybe you need to peep his approval ratings.

And while you are busy being pissed at my cavalier comments about Bush, maybe you ought to peep this:

Iraq's reconstruction a 100-billion failure

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081214...reconstruction

Talk about a Bridge to Nowhere.....

How hypocritical is it to say that YOU have a right to disagree and then follow that up by saying that its ok to assault Bush because he disagrees with you?

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DolphinChicaDDD

Just to bring it up, I'm not sure if anyone on here realizes the seriousness of shoes, particularly throwing them, in Islamic cultures. Shoes, and feet in general, are considered dirty and distasteful particularly the soles. Based on that fact alone, I am sure he will be punished accordingly.

This and the 'dog' comment -- dogs are also considered unclean so the combination of throwing the shoes and calling him a dog were serious insults. And from what I've read, sentiment is pretty split, there are as many people holding rallies in his honor and calling for his release as there are saying it was embarrassing and he should apologize, so it will be interesting to see how he's dealt with.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Yeah, I'll admit that my husband and I had a quick giggle as he dodged the second shoe after we gasped after the first one was launched, but we both sobered up about it quickly. Regardless of who is in office, when the President is out of country visiting other nations he *IS* the US. So as Americans, we should feel some protective reaction about anybody taking a pot shot at our Commander in Chief. Again, regardless of the man in the seat, that's the US Presidency. Its like that old adage about how I can bitch and moan all I want about my family but don't you dare say something against them because they're MY family.

And any rational person would have to agree with you.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by DolphinChicaDDD

Just to bring it up, I'm not sure if anyone on here realizes the seriousness of shoes, particularly throwing them, in Islamic cultures. Shoes, and feet in general, are considered dirty and distasteful particularly the soles. Based on that fact alone, I am sure he will be punished accordingly.

Yes! I was gonna post something about that. It is offensive to an Arab if you show them the soles of your feet/shoes (like if you cross your legs or what not). I can just imagine how much more offensive it is to throw a shoe.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by Kevin

If they thought for a second that the President's life was in danger, they would have been within their rights to shoot the man. Since they didn't do that, they didn't think he was that much of a threat anymore.

There is no possible justification for that sort of beating, IMHO.

I'll bet that under Islamic Law, (Iraq is some sort of quasi-civil/quasi-Islamic legal system, right?) there will be some sort of awful punishment for this man. Let him have his trial, then let justice be done.

If an American did this to another world leader then I think that they would be put in jail for a pretty long time.