oh DAYUM!!! Bush almost got clocked by a SHOE

[PhiGam]

Secret Service should have shot the guy. Screw everyone who thinks that its cool for an Egyptian to assault the President.
And for those of you who said you wouldn't be upset if he died... you're retarded. It blows my mind that anyone could think its OK to say that about another person besides maybe Hitler or Osama.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Secret Service should have shot the guy. Screw everyone who thinks that its cool for an Egyptian to assault the President.
And for those of you who said you wouldn't be upset if he died... you're retarded. It blows my mind that anyone could think its OK to say that about another person besides maybe Hitler or Osama.

"Well put"

Heh.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Secret Service should have shot the guy. Screw everyone who thinks that its cool for an Egyptian to assault the President.
And for those of you who said you wouldn't be upset if he died... you're retarded. It blows my mind that anyone could think its OK to say that about another person besides maybe Hitler or Osama.

I agree completely. People who think this is funny are, IMO, way out of line.

[DaemonSeid]

BAGHDAD (Reuters) – The Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush has become the talk of Iraq, hailed by marchers as a national hero but blasted by the government as a barbarian.

The little-known Shi'ite reporter, said to have harbored anger against Bush for the thousands of Iraqis who died after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, had previously made headlines only once, when he was briefly kidnapped by gunmen in 2007.

TV reporter Muntazer al-Zaidi remained in detention on Monday, accused by the Iraqi government of a "barbaric act." He would be sent for trial on charges of insulting the Iraqi state, said the prime minister's media adviser, Yasin Majeed.

His employer, independent al-Baghdadiya television, demanded his release and demonstrators rallied for him in Baghdad's Sadr City, in the southern Shi'ite stronghold of Basra and in the holy city of Najaf, where some threw shoes at a U.S. convoy.

"Thanks be to God, Muntazer's act fills Iraqi hearts with pride," his brother, Udai al-Zaidi, told Reuters Television.

"I'm sure many Iraqis want to do what Muntazer did. Muntazer used to say all the orphans whose fathers were killed are because of Bush."

Zaidi shouted "this is a goodbye kiss from the Iraqi people, dog," at Bush in a news conference he held with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki during a farewell visit to Baghdad on Sunday.

The journalist then flung one shoe at Bush, forcing him to duck, followed by another, which sailed over Bush's head and slammed into the wall behind him. Throwing shoes at someone is the worst possible insult in the Arab world.

Zaidi was dragged struggling and screaming from the room by security guards and could be heard shouting outside while the news conference continued after momentary mayhem.

'BARBARIC'

The government said Zaidi had carried out "a barbaric and ignominious act" that was not fitting of the media's role and demanded an apology from his television station.

Al-Baghdadiya television played endless patriotic music, with Zaidi's face plastered across the screen.

A newscaster solemnly read out a statement calling for his release, "in accordance with the democratic era and the freedom of expression that Iraqis were promised by U.S. authorities."

It said that any harsh measures taken against the reporter would be reminders of the "dictatorial era."

The Iraqi Journalists' Syndicate said Zaidi's "far from professional" and irresponsible conduct had placed it in an "embarrassing and critical" situation. Nevertheless, it called on Maliki to release him for humanitarian reasons.

"It was the throw of the century. I believe Bush deserves what happened to him because he has not kept his promises to Iraqis," said Baghdad resident Abu Hussein, 48.

Parliamentary reaction was mixed, with some saying Zaidi chose the wrong venue for his protest. Others cheered.

"Al-Zaidi's shoe is the most famous shoe in the whole world," said Fawzi Akram, a Turkman lawmaker loyal to anti-American Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.

A Libyan charity group chaired by leader Muammar Gaddafi's daughter, Aicha Gaddafi, gave Zaidi an award for bravery.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081215/...raq_bush_shoes

Some of you who are pissy about the situation also need to consider the bigger picture, this is what little respect we hold in this region of the world (among other places) right now, like it or not. It's going to take a whole lot of work for the next administrations beyond this one to win any of it back.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Sorry.... we are the same country responsible for lynching Saddam Hussein who we still haven't had conclusive proof of WMDs or the WTC and used a lame ass excuse to invade Iraq.

If Bush got killed by a shoe.....I wouldn't have shed a tear.

Better yet, put that question to the displaced from Katrina.

Ask some of the families of soldiers lost over there for no good reason...

A shoe would have been fitting.

Saddam Hussein DID THIS TO HIS OWN PEOPLE:
http://www.kdp.se/old/chemical.html
He massacred thousands of them because they were of a certain race (Kurdish) and you don't think that he deserved to be executed? Better yet you put him on the same level as George Bush? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Is that not enough proof for someone as ignorant as yourself? Do you need to see Saddam Hussein personally spraying serin gas into the face of a Kurd to believe it?

As for Katrina: It is NOT the government's responsibility to give people new homes. It sucks for those people but thats the way the world works, its not the government's fault that their home got destroyed and therefore its not their responsibility, those people should be grateful for all of the help that they did receive instead of bitching about not having everything given to them.

As for the families: A lot of those families don't think that their kids died for no good reason and probably wouldn't appreciate people like you saying that. A lot of progress is being made and a lot of people's lives have been changed for the better.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Some of you who are pissy about the situation also need to consider the bigger picture, this is what little respect we hold in this region of the world (among other places) right now, like it or not. It's going to take a whole lot of work for the next administrations beyond this one to win any of it back.

I believe that if we spread education throughout the region, people will be able to come to a more realistic view of the US role in the world. We're not doing ourselves any good trying to win the hearts and souls of people with a second grade education and who think that Osama bin Laden is a holy figure.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Saddam Hussein DID THIS TO HIS OWN PEOPLE:
http://www.kdp.se/old/chemical.html
He massacred thousands of them because they were of a certain race (Kurdish) and you don't think that he deserved to be executed? Better yet you put him on the same level as George Bush? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Is that not enough proof for someone as ignorant as yourself? Do you need to see Saddam Hussein personally spraying serin gas into the face of a Kurd to believe it?

As for Katrina: It is NOT the government's responsibility to give people new homes. It sucks for those people but thats the way the world works, its not the government's fault that their home got destroyed and therefore its not their responsibility, those people should be grateful for all of the help that they did receive instead of bitching about not having everything given to them.

As for the families: A lot of those families don't think that their kids died for no good reason and probably wouldn't appreciate people like you saying that. A lot of progress is being made and a lot of people's lives have been changed for the better.

Dude...you need to calm that shyte down there.

That whole argument that you made there, we can have that same argument on the death penalty in the US.

Find someone that you think is deserving of death and let me see you and you personally pull the trigger or push the button.

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I believe that if we spread education throughout the region, people will be able to come to a more realistic view of the US role in the world. We're not doing ourselves any good trying to win the hearts and souls of people with a second grade education and who think that Osama bin Laden is a holy figure.

And if you read the artile that I just posted, there are those that have mixed reactions for what happened to Bush yesterday.

Besides, who the f**k are we to role into a country and try to 'force' them to have a better view of the US????

That is part of why we are where we are NOW.

Reminds me of an old statement, "The Sowrd in one hand and the Bible in the other."

And damn if they don't like what we are offering!

Come into my house pulling some shyte like that I would throw a shoe at you too!!

And yes, Bush has plenty of blood on his hands.

He and his administration have brought our country to an all time low internationally and having a shoe flung at him is just too dayum nutso to take a pass on.

You can agree or disagree on that one.

Whether you like it or not.

I. DO. NOT. FEEL. SORRY. FOR. BUSH.

Hate me for making the statement, you know I don't give a damn.

And you well best believe that there are more here as well as those not on here that have the same sentiment.

Some of you are mad just because a few of us are not ashamed to show our disregard at a joke of a President that we can't wait to see leave in just under 50 days.

PhiGam, if you don't like it, you can kiss my @ss.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Dude...you need to calm that shyte down there.

That whole argument that you made there, we can have that same argument on the death penalty in the US.

Find someone that you think is deserving of death and let me see you and you personally pull the trigger or push the button.



And if you read the artile that I just posted, there are those that have mixed reactions for what happened to Bush yesterday.

Besides, who the f**k are we to role into a country and try to 'force' them to have a better view of the US????

That is part of why we are where we are NOW.

Reminds me of an old statement, "The Sowrd in one hand and the Bible in the other."

And damn if they don't like what we are offering!

Come into my house pulling some shyte like that I would throw a shoe at you too!!

And yes, Bush has plenty of blood on his hands.

He and his administration have brought our country to an all time low internationally and having a shoe flung at him is just too dayum nutso to take a pass on.

You can agree or disagree on that one.

Whether you like it or not.

I. DO. NOT. FEEL. SORRY. FOR. BUSH.

Hate me for making the statement, you know I don't give a damn.

And you well best believe that there are more here as well as those not on here that have the same sentiment.

Some of you are mad just because a few of us are not ashamed to show our disregard at a joke of a President that we can't wait to see leave in just under 50 days.

PhiGam, if you don't like it, you can kiss my @ss.

You think I would have any problem pulling the trigger on Saddam Hussein? Thats laughable.
This isn't the crusades, we are trying to establish a MUSLIM DEMOCRACY as an example to the rest of the region.
You certainly don't have to "feel sorry" for Bush but to say that you wouldn't be saddened if he died is FUCKED UP, no matter how you twist it. You're not going to be very happy when you realize that Obama's Iraq policies are going to be identical to George Bush's (even though he said that he wanted to have all troops out by March 31, 2009- he later said that we probably wont have our troops out by 2013).

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

You can agree or disagree on that one.

Whether you like it or not.

I. DO. NOT. FEEL. SORRY. FOR. BUSH.

Hate me for making the statement, you know I don't give a damn.

And you well best believe that there are more here as well as those not on here that have the same sentiment.

Some of you are mad just because a few of us are not ashamed to show our disregard at a joke of a President that we can't wait to see leave in just under 50 days.

So are people just not allowed to disagree with you?

It's funny too - of the people who have disagreed with you, at least three (myself, preciousjeni and Sen) have stated in previous threads that we're not fans of the Bush presidency. So, that "some of you are made just because a few of us are not ashamed to show our disregard..." statement has little to no relevance to our feelings.

[honeychile]

Bottom line: just like it works in your GLO, one respects the Office of the President or any similar office. Feel free to love, hate, or be indifferent to President Bush or any of the former Presidents or President-elect Obama, but respect the Ofiice of the American Presidency.

If our Secret Service didn't take Shoe-Boy out, the Iraqi one should have. Assault against a head of state is a capital offense.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

So are people just not allowed to disagree with you?

It's funny too - of the people who have disagreed with you, at least three (myself, preciousjeni and Sen) have stated in previous threads that we're not fans of the Bush presidency. So, that "some of you are made just because a few of us are not ashamed to show our disregard..." statement has little to no relevance to our feelings.

If you disagree...cool.

We are allowed to have a difference of opinion, but to act like a pissy bitch like PhiGam because my opinions differ about Bush and his treatment is on him.

A few gems from he and co. :

" I don't understand where condoning assault on anyone, let alone a public official, makes any sense."

"And for those of you who said you wouldn't be upset if he died... you're retarded. "

"I agree completely. People who think this is funny are, IMO, way out of line."

"You certainly don't have to "feel sorry" for Bush but to say that you wouldn't be saddened if he died is FUCKED UP, "



NO!

It's called practicing my 1st Amendment right!

All I am doing is talking about it!

Jeni hit it on the head when she disagreed that all world leaders deserve respect.

If you don't like them...you don't like them.

And you sure as hell can't force someone to feel sorry for them if something happens.

Hell, if anyone is retarded it would be following along with the crowd in either aspect when you know deep down you feel differently!

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Bottom line: just like it works in your GLO, one respects the Office of the President or any similar office. Feel free to love, hate, or be indifferent to President Bush or any of the former Presidents or President-elect Obama, but respect the Ofiice of the American Presidency.

If our Secret Service didn't take Shoe-Boy out, the Iraqi one should have. Assault against a head of state is a capital offense.

They beat him until he cried, according to the news reports.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Bottom line: just like it works in your GLO, one respects the Office of the President or any similar office. Feel free to love, hate, or be indifferent to President Bush or any of the former Presidents or President-elect Obama, but respect the Ofiice of the American Presidency.

If our Secret Service didn't take Shoe-Boy out, the Iraqi one should have. Assault against a head of state is a capital offense.

And he will be punished accordingly.

I totally agree with you.

Like I said earlier while what he did was an eff'ed up thing to do, when making a choice to commit an extreme action, you have to decide whether or not you can deal with the consequences.

I mean come on now yall....if dude had shot Bush......sheeesh.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

They beat him until he cried, according to the news reports.

shyte happens.

Now...what you need to ask yourself is this...

Did he get beaten for the gesture or for the embarrasment that the gesture caused?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

They beat him until he cried, according to the news reports.

That's really unfortunate. I think the fact that this man was beaten like this (assuming that's a fact) shows how little progress we've made vis-a-vis changing Iraqi culture. I'm hoping this isn't a "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" sort of situation developing over there, but I fear it is.

4,000+ American lives and countless Iraqi lives have been spent and we still have a government which beats people before affording them a trial or any sort of due process. I don't care what side of the partisan divide you come down on, but that is complete bullshit.