Dear Piece of Trash ~ Cleveland Councilman Sounds Off Against a Drug Dealer

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by ARTISTKNOWNASBE

IStill, I guess I could have saved this argument for another thread. I just felt that the councilman's words were a little strong. The drug dealer is at the bottom of the "so called" trash food chain. Therefore, he gets to be called trash. What do we call the people responsible for flooding the community with dope, "Boys gone wild"?

How do you know that this Councilman would not be calling them trash, too? And quite possibly if ol dude had been white the Councilman still would have referred to him as trash. We are talking about one person calling another person trash because of his heinous behavior. Not everything or every utterance is about race.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by ARTISTKNOWNASBE

NO THAT MUST BE WHAT YOU ARE ASSUMING. CAUSE I NEVER SAID THAT. MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ WHAT I SAID. THEN GET BACK WITH ME...

THE REASON WHY PROMISCOUS BLACK WOMEN ARE REFERRED TO (BY SOME PEOPLE) AS WHORES IS BECAUSE OF INDOCTRINATION, IGNORANCE, AND UNAWARENESS OF SELF. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO OVER THAT WITH YOU...

No need to yell. I have heard all promiscuous women referred as whores by some people.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

I think the councilman's comments were out of line. If that's how he feels and wants to express his sentiment in those terms, then do so via personal means. Call him, write him personally.

But as a ward represenative of the city, he owes it to his constitutency, and by extention, to the rest of Cleveland, to conduct himself on a higher level.

No matter the noble indignation of his intent, his letter was beneath the dignity of his office.

Which goes to my point. I would rather have a council representative who isn't too dignify or high and mighty to still do the dirty work. But then maybe it is because in certain wards here in the city we tend elect representatives who do just that.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

I think the councilman's comments were out of line. If that's how he feels and wants to express his sentiment in those terms, then do so via personal means. Call him, write him personally.

But as a ward represenative of the city, he owes it to his constitutency, and by extention, to the rest of Cleveland, to conduct himself on a higher level.

No matter the noble indignation of his intent, his letter was beneath the dignity of his office.

I understand his intent and certainly his frustration, but fully agree with this. It was lowering himself.

ETA: I also kinda don't trust it. NO politicians are spontaneous or off the cuff anymore- they plan each and every statement and move to appeal to the press and their constituency. This comes off as slightly disingenuous, and pandering in an attempt to come off as hard on crime.

[ARTISTKNOWNASBE]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

How do you know that this Councilman would not be calling them trash, too? .

Because they didn't get letters sent to them.
Because they weren't told that the best place for them is prison or a funeral home.
Because they are NOT black and poor.
Personally, I think it's because they didn't tell him to kiss thier black azz.

Again, I applaud him for getting drug dealers off the streets.
But if you are going to refer to him as trash,
then you need to see the bigger trash.
Or does he only see the black poor ones?

Poor drug dealers don't pass unfair laws.
Poor drug dealers don't send thousands of people to die.
Poor drug dealers don't make millions of dollars importing drugs
and then point the finger at drug dealers.
Poor drug dealers don't falsely accuse and then imprison blacks.
But why are they the only ones who get to be called "trash"?

The councilmen felt BOLD enough to call him that and sent him a letter, because poor people have few to zero rights in this country.

There is absolutely nothing funny or dignified about that letter.
Still, as someone pointed out earlier, this double standard will never be resolved in GreekChat.com. So on that note...

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Which goes to my point. I would rather have a council representative who isn't too dignify or high and mighty to still do the dirty work. But then maybe it is because in certain wards here in the city we tend elect representatives who do just that.

ok, let's shift the representative parallel a bit.

how many people would be comfortable if the head of their NPHC organization authored a similar letter, under approximate circumstances?

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by lovelyivy84

ETA: I also kinda don't trust it. NO politicians are spontaneous or off the cuff anymore- they plan each and every statement and move to appeal to the press and their constituency. This comes off as slightly disingenuous, and pandering in an attempt to come off as hard on crime.

you sensed that possibility too, huh?

[OneTimeSBX]

Originally Posted by lovelyivy84

ETA: I also kinda don't trust it. NO politicians are spontaneous or off the cuff anymore- they plan each and every statement and move to appeal to the press and their constituency. This comes off as slightly disingenuous, and pandering in an attempt to come off as hard on crime.

that could be true. however, i personally would never have done that. mainly because no matter how deep in jail this hoodlum is, aaaallll his friends are still out, running the streets. you know how young black men are about "respect". they'd just as soon pop a cap in said politicians azz for disrepecting their boy...

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

that could be true. however, i personally would never have done that. mainly because no matter how deep in jail this hoodlum is, aaaallll his friends are still out, running the streets. you know how young black men are about "respect". they'd just as soon pop a cap in said politicians azz for disrepecting their boy...

... Not in Cleveland. Now, if you "disrespect" CT4 you may wind up in Lake Erie, but otherwise you should be good.

[OneTimeSBX]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

... Not in Cleveland. Now, if you "disrespect" CT4 you may wind up in Lake Erie, but otherwise you should be good.

sorry, not familiar with Cleveland...i live in Richmond, one of THE top cities for crime in the US. they arent too picky here, they'll kill you over anything...hence i have lost 5 friends in the past year and a half

[pinkies up]

Originally Posted by ARTISTKNOWNASBE

Because they didn't get letters sent to them.
Because they weren't told that the best place for them is prison or a funeral home.
Because they are NOT black and poor.
Personally, I think it's because they didn't tell him to kiss thier black azz.

Again, I applaud him for getting drug dealers off the streets.
But if you are going to refer to him as trash,
then you need to see the bigger trash.
Or does he only see the black poor ones?

Poor drug dealers don't pass unfair laws.
Poor drug dealers don't send thousands of people to die.
Poor drug dealers don't make millions of dollars importing drugs
and then point the finger at drug dealers.
Poor drug dealers don't falsely accuse and then imprison blacks.
But why are they the only ones who get to be called "trash"?

The councilmen felt BOLD enough to call him that and sent him a letter, because poor people have few to zero rights in this country.

There is absolutely nothing funny or dignified about that letter.
Still, as someone pointed out earlier, this double standard will never be resolved in GreekChat.com. So on that note...

What style of poetry would this be guys?

[Little32]

My thoughts are, sometimes a dumba** needs to be called a dumba**, though I don't know that this man should be the one to do it. I agree with whoever posted that his momma should have been saying to him that long ago.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

ok, let's shift the representative parallel a bit.

how many people would be comfortable if the head of their NPHC organization authored a similar letter, under approximate circumstances?

Apples and oranges.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

that could be true. however, i personally would never have done that. mainly because no matter how deep in jail this hoodlum is, aaaallll his friends are still out, running the streets. you know how young black men are about "respect". they'd just as soon pop a cap in said politicians azz for disrepecting their boy...

Now you do have a point there.

[BlueReign]

This is why I can't go into politics. I can just see myself writing something exactly like this. Even though that's somebody's child, this "boy" is now a man.