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09-13-2006, 03:48 PM
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Comparing the offensiveness of Abortion to that of racism? Heh? No point was really made in that scenario. Controversy surrounds the issue of abortion, but IGNORANCE surrounds racism and sexism.
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Yes, the similarity is that some people find all these things to be offensive. Are you going to try and tell me that your being offended is worht more than someone else being offended? That's pretty darned arrogant.
People opposed to abortion (again, I'm not one of them, but I think this is a great example) believe that abortion is the same as killing babies. What you are saying is that it's okay to offend someone who thinks you're promoting baby killing, but an action which states nothing racist, but makes you feel they had racial intentions is not okay? Those are some interesting lines you've drawn there.
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There's right and wrong. What they did was wrong. It WAS offensive if black women do find it offensive. That's reality.
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So you'd like the government to protect you from things which offend people? Or just things which offend only you?
You're asking for the government to close an organization which can't even directly be connected to the event. Their only connection was that these (two?) kids were members and they were doing something which caused contraversy. So far, you nor anyone has been able to show the fact that Chi Phi is directly responsible for this.
You'd have the University penalize the entire organization without a shred of proof other than circumstance and speculation just because some probationary members did something maybe on their own accord which angered you. Am I not accurate?
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09-13-2006, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple
Comparing the offensiveness of Abortion to that of racism? Heh? No point was really made in that scenario. Controversy surrounds the issue of abortion, but IGNORANCE surrounds racism and sexism. There's right and wrong.
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Actually, it was a very apt analogy and a very valid question to you. If organizations should be booted from campus for being offensive, then what difference does it make whether the offense comes from ignorance or not?
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What they did was wrong. It WAS offensive if black women do find it offensive. That's reality. Y'ALL do not find it offensive because you are not in their shoes.
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Why do you assume that "Y'ALL do not find it offensive." Will you concede that one might very well find it offensive and warranting of a response but also believe that booting an entire organization from campus is not the appropriate response.
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My point exactly. When an organization does something truly STUPID and IGNORANT, and the administration takes notice of this, they have to do something about it.
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Again with the assumptions. The op-ed piece quoted in the original post says: "Chi Phi fraternity pledges flashed naked images of black women to passers-by." You may infer from that "the organization" in some way is responsible for this incident, but the article doesn't state that. Meanwhile, the Athens paper says:
Campus police said seven students and a visitor photographed people's reactions as they showed them photos from a pornographic magazine.
Chi Phi President Matthew Hughes said the chapter is "embarrassed" about the incident, which was not sanctioned by the fraternity. He would not say why the students displayed the pictures.
The fraternity is cooperating with the university on the investigation, he said. "We are trying our best to go down the right path," Hughes said.
(Full article: Ga. Frat Suspended for Showing Nude Pics; emphasis added. The suspension appears to bar the chapter from sponsoring any events while the investigation is ongoing.)
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09-13-2006, 04:03 PM
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No, it would not remove individual ignorance, but it would remove an organization from the campus that represents ignorance. I can't really think of any accredited 4-year institution that wants to associated with that. Can you?
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Please remember, we do not know if Chi Phi sanctioned their pledges to do this. It has been established that some Chi Phi pledges did it, but the membership has denied that this was a 'pledge project'. If the pledges did it on their own, they should be kicked out of Chi Phi. But, the fraternity chapter as a whole should not be punished because of something stupid that some guys - [U]who are not even members yet[U] did.
If it is proven that the chapters members got together and said: "Hey, how about this for a project to build cohension. We have the pledges take pictures of people's reactions to a porn magazine being shoved in their faces! And, better yet, let's make it a porn mag featuring black women!" "Yeah, man, that sounds like a great idea! That will totally build brotherhood and cohesion for the chapter!" If this scenerio is proven, I whole heartedly support sanctions against the whole chapter. But, not until it's been proven.
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09-13-2006, 04:41 PM
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Why does it happening at UGA have anything to do with it?
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09-13-2006, 04:43 PM
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No, it would not remove individual ignorance, but it would remove an organization from the campus that represents ignorance. I can't really think of any accredited 4-year institution that wants to associated with that. Can you?
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The organization was never found to have had anything to do with it. It was a few dumbass pledges....just because the paper mentioned that they were Chi Phi pledges doesn't make the chapter responsible.
There are alot of 4 year accredited institutions that have had much worse than this happen.
And I found it interesting that you would say you "weren't surprised by this since, afterall, it is UGA." What is that supposed to mean?
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09-13-2006, 04:43 PM
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I'm trying to understand what the women being black had to do with anything.
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09-13-2006, 04:55 PM
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I'm trying to understand what the women being black had to do with anything.
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It offended certain people that white males were passing out pictures of a nude black female model. Those folks feel that their being offended is evidence that some kind of crime has been committed. They are seeking the punishment of those who offended them.
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09-13-2006, 04:58 PM
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Doesnt some one get offended about something or offended by anything!
When it comes to white on black, it gets press, when it comes on black on white then it is a cover up?
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09-13-2006, 05:00 PM
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It offended certain people that white males were passing out pictures of a nude black female model. Those folks feel that their being offended is evidence that some kind of crime has been committed. They are seeking the punishment of those who offended them.
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LOL, I got it. I don't know, I just get annoyed by this stuff sometimes. Everything is about race. It's ridiculous. I'm more offended by the porn factor than the black factor.
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09-13-2006, 05:01 PM
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When it comes to white on black, it gets press, when it comes on black on white then it is a cover up?
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LOL hell no
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09-13-2006, 05:01 PM
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LOL, I got it. I don't know, I just get annoyed by this stuff sometimes. Everything is about race. It's ridiculous. I'm more offended by the porn factor than the black factor.
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09-13-2006, 05:03 PM
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09-13-2006, 05:04 PM
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Y'ALL do not find it offensive because you are not in their shoes. Many of y'all are quick to down play the situation when something like this happens....
Anyways, I'm not surprised by this. It is UGA after all.
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You are very ignorant.
It's not really a question of what is offensive. I think it's more classless then offensive. There are better things to do with ones time.
What does UGA have anything to do with it? Anything? Remind me again, where all the race riots have occurred in the last 15 - 20 years? Philly, LA, and so on. The ignorance comes from within the ghettoes of these cities, not from the middle class South.
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09-13-2006, 05:09 PM
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Well I don’t care what anyone says I enjoy watching Flavor of Love 2…wait what thread is this?
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09-13-2006, 05:12 PM
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The ignorance comes from within the ghettoes of these cities, not from the middle class South.
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Did you attend the Dan Quayle School of Spelling?
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