Stereotyping HBCU's

[Wonderful1908]

Originally Posted by Live_Wire17

LOL!! At least she had a room. When my mom drove me from Chicago to Baton Rouge...SU didn't have any record of my room reservation. Needless to say, my mom got all "westside of Chicago" on them and went on to tell them that she DID NOT drive her daughter 900+ miles to leave her here without a room. LOL! I was soooo glad my mama was there because not only did they find me a room but they put me in the upperclassmen dorms which ment 2 things (SU Alum may know what I am talking about)

1. No Curfew
2. No "Mama Boley" (The lady in charge of the girls freshmen dorms)

Thanks Mom!!! See LG, 1913 and a Mom...you are the Bomb Soror!

Not only do I know this situation all to well I am still PO'd. When I was sophmore the day we came to get our rooms we had until like 3pm, I got there at noon becuase I was coming back from home (Califirnia) why when I got there they were like all the rooms are gone. I was like WTH! It took 6 days to get thet foolishness striaght and trust me it took me calling housing being my "mama" to get that resolved! Ahhhhh SU.......

[PrettyBoy]

I pledged and I graduated from Central State University. Across the street from Wilberforce University. CSU was so unorganized that most of the upper classman including me had to stay in hotels. I liked it though, because we had cable, air, and cleaning services.

[Live_Wire17]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I pledged and I graduated from Central State University. Across the street from Wilberforce University. CSU was so unorganized that most of the upper classman including me had to stay in hotels. I liked it though, because we had cable, air, and cleaning services.

Lucky you.

[Live_Wire17]

Originally Posted by Wonderful1908

Not only do I know this situation all to well I am still PO'd. When I was sophmore the day we came to get our rooms we had until like 3pm, I got there at noon becuase I was coming back from home (Califirnia) why when I got there they were like all the rooms are gone. I was like WTH! It took 6 days to get thet foolishness striaght and trust me it took me calling housing being my "mama" to get that resolved! Ahhhhh SU.......

See what I'm sayin. BUT...I wouldn't change my experience at SU for NOTHING in the world and I always tell my students about the importance of a HBCU education. My sister is jealous because she chose U of I Champagne and my brother chose FAMU...oh well...shoulda listen lil girl...

[Live_Wire17]

Originally Posted by Wonderful1908

Amen! I am completing my masters at my 2nd SWAC school and about to enroll at a third SWAC school to begin my doctorate program! 3 schools all operating the same!

You like punishment...don't you?

[Wonderful1908]

Originally Posted by Live_Wire17

You like punishment...don't you?

I must, case in point God Love em, I have four classes this summer which started last week:

1.Tuesday drove all the way to PVU and guess what no teacher!
2. Wendeday Drove to the remote site guess what no teacher!
3.Thursday drove back to the remote site, yes a teacher! Moving very fast in statistics but atleast he was there!
4. Monday drove to the remote site teacher was 45 minutes late!

I am going to be honest I am one who appreciated a good class cancellation/dismissal but don't have me drive 60 miles one way and 60 miles back another or waste my time and you ain't there. Gas is high!

Alas I still love the SWAC!

[christiangirl]

^^^This story reminds me of something. Why did schools (or at least my school) mandate you wait 10 minutes for a teacher (15 minutes for a professor) before you are allowed to assume class is cancelled and leave? What's more, if the teacher shows up more than 15 minutes late, why are they allowed to shove you back into class and continue? If I'm more than a second late, I get points marked off, or not even allowed into class at all. If they are supposed to lead by example, why can't we say, "Too bad, you're not here so class is cancelled for today?"


(I know it'd never happen, and there'd be material lost, but it'd be nice. )

[Deltaheart]

Originally Posted by Live_Wire17

LOL!! At least she had a room. When my mom drove me from Chicago to Baton Rouge...SU didn't have any record of my room reservation. Needless to say, my mom got all "westside of Chicago" on them and went on to tell them that she DID NOT drive her daughter 900+ miles to leave her here without a room. LOL! I was soooo glad my mama was there because not only did they find me a room but they put me in the upperclassmen dorms which ment 2 things (SU Alum may know what I am talking about)

1. No Curfew
2. No "Mama Boley" (The lady in charge of the girls freshmen dorms)

Thanks Mom!!! See LG, 1913 and a Mom...you are the Bomb Soror!

I too was a member of the no reservation or no room in the inn. I had to stay at the Bellmont for 3 weeks until students were dropped for non payment. No car (freshmen were not able to have cars on campus), no family (from California) and no room. I had to learn to adapt and adapt quickly. Southern taught me life experiences that I would have never recieved at any other college. I was pretty much sheltered through out my childhood years. The schools i attended were a melting pot. I lacked that Black experience. Although I may have complained about the experience while I was there at SU. I would never give it back. (even the long lines in Seymour Gym through registration)

Much love goes out to HBCU's who are building our youth today......especially go JAGS

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

^^^This story reminds me of something. Why did schools (or at least my school) mandate you wait 10 minutes for a teacher (15 minutes for a professor) before you are allowed to assume class is cancelled and leave? What's more, if the teacher shows up more than 15 minutes late, why are they allowed to shove you back into class and continue? If I'm more than a second late, I get points marked off, or not even allowed into class at all. If they are supposed to lead by example, why can't we say, "Too bad, you're not here so class is cancelled for today?"


(I know it'd never happen, and there'd be material lost, but it'd be nice. )

Find me a school that has that as an official rule. I've never seen it written down. It's one of those unwritten assumption things that everyone operates on.
The only times I've ever had that problem have been on days where the weather was too bad for an individual teacher to get in although school wasn't canceled or some sort of other emergency, car wreck or something. In those situations I don't mind waiting.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Find me a school that has that as an official rule. I've never seen it written down. It's one of those unwritten assumption things that everyone operates on.

Administration TOLD us that's the rule, but I've never seen it written down, either!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Administration TOLD us that's the rule, but I've never seen it written down, either!

http://www.snopes.com/college/admin/wait.asp

I suspect they just wanted you to show up.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by IvySpice

I have the greatest respect for HBCU's and the many extraordinary leaders they've produced, but what you're saying about the Ivy League just isn't true. As of 2005, the black graduation rate at Harvard is the highest in the country, higher than any HBCU. In fact, all 8 Ivy League schools have higher black graduation rates than the HBCU with the highest black graduation rate (Spelman).

http://www.jbhe.com/features/50_blac...gradrates.html

Soror, based on my assessment of the article, it clearly states the following:

For many years Harvard University, traditionally one of the nation's strongest supporters of affirmative action, has produced the highest black student graduation rate of any college or university in the nation. But for some unexplained and possibly immaterial reason, Harvard slipped to second place in 2004. But now Harvard's black student graduation rate has increased to 95 percent, once again the highest among U.S. colleges and universities.

and

We come now to a most disappointing set of statistics. The graduation rate of African-American students at the nation's historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) tends to be much lower than the graduation rate for black students at the nation's highest-ranked institutions. Yet the graduation rate at a significant number of HBCUs is well above the nationwide average for black student graduations, which, as stated earlier, currently stands at an extremely low rate of 42 percent.

By a large margin, the highest black student graduation rate at a historically black college belongs to the academically selective, all-women Spelman College in the city of Atlanta. In fact, the Spelman black student graduation rate of 77 percent is higher than the black student graduation rate at 13 of the nation's 56 high-ranking predominantly white colleges and universities referred to earlier. Spelman's unusual strength shows in the fact that it has a higher black student graduation rate than such prestigious and primarily white colleges as Bates, Colby, Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Claremont McKenna, and Carnegie Mellon.

Following Spelman in the rankings, the next-highest black student graduation rate among the HBCUs was at Morehouse College and Fisk University. At Morehouse and Fisk, 64 percent of the entering black students go on to graduate within six years. Hampton University, Miles College, Howard University, and Elizabeth City State University in North Carolina sadly are the only other HBCUs that graduate at least half of their black students within six years.

How many non-ivy league schools can compare to those like Harvard? And what actual statistical measurements are they ranking. Those rates of Black students graduating from a "Harvard" percentage compared to those Black students graduating from the highest graduating ranked "Spelman" school. And the numbers for comparison are suspect.

They obtained the data from the NCAA--National Collegiate Athletic Association and analyzed by the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education... I find it extremely convenient for them to obtain and analyze stats from NCAA then say it is Dept. of Education records. Dept. of Ed. does not = NCAA.

At the last 4 universities I worked in 3 states, the retention and graduation rates of all identified African American students had dismal results.

Or, that could be the thing about Harvard, once they admit you, they will make sure you graduate in something... It may not be your first choice in your goal, but you will succeed in something, even though it is "underwater basketweaving".

The HBCU's do not readily pass folks in classes, nor do they care about your ability to pay, on time, even if they have the financial aid check... I know my professors would be flunking entire classes... And don't skip class, or rather don't get caught skipping...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Administration TOLD us that's the rule, but I've never seen it written down, either!

The "15 minute rule" is a staple of most college classrooms. But it isn't an official administrative guideline but rather a generic guideline, of sorts.

Instructors have their own guidelines for student attendance and often tell students that they can go by the "15 minute rule" just because it's familiar to most people. Universities don't penalize students at the micro-level of class attendance. Instructors do.

The only time the administration of most colleges and universities have guidelines for class attendance is when it comes to inclement weather and holiday policies.

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally Posted by Deltaheart

I too was a member of the no reservation or no room in the inn. I had to stay at the Bellmont for 3 weeks until students were dropped for non payment. No car (freshmen were not able to have cars on campus), no family (from California) and no room. I had to learn to adapt and adapt quickly. Southern taught me life experiences that I would have never recieved at any other college. I was pretty much sheltered through out my childhood years. The schools i attended were a melting pot. I lacked that Black experience. Although I may have complained about the experience while I was there at SU. I would never give it back. (even the long lines in Seymour Gym through registration)

Much love goes out to HBCU's who are building our youth today......especially go JAGS

Deltaheart, eh? Introduce yourself if you are a member of DST. We like to know who we're chatting with.

[IvySpice]

First, I have to identify myself as a non-D9 member. I chose this username before I realized that it might be misinterpreted as an AKA or Alpha Phi identifier. So please forgive me if I was misleading; I don't mean to misrepresent myself as a member of your great org.

Second, getting to the point ,

How many non-ivy league schools can compare to those like Harvard?

About 20 of them, according to the article, plus another 12 or 15 small colleges. My original post was responding to a specific statement about the Ivy Leagues that was incorrect. The Ivy League school with the lowest black graduation rate is Cornell at 83%. This is better than the HBCU with the highest graduation rate. Even if you believe that Harvard is handing out degrees in "underwater basketweaving" to all comers, do you believe that about Caltech, MIT, Rice, and Notre Dame, all of which have higher black graduation rates than any HBCU?

My point is this. HBCUs are the best choice for many students for a long list of reasons, many of which satisfied alumni have already pointed out on this thread. But high graduation rates are not on the list. The majority of students at the HBCUs with the highest graduation rates (such as Spelman, Morehouse, Howard, Fisk, and Hampton could go to top-20 PWIs like Harvard if they wanted to, so it really doesn't matter to them that the black graduation rate at fourth-tier PWIs is pitiful. The students we're talking about are choosing between HBCUs and the Ivy League et al., and the Ivy Leagues are doing a very good job of graduating their black students. That doesn't mean it's wrong to choose an HBCU over an Ivy -- it just means that it's wrong to suggest that "piss poor" black graduation rates at the Ivies ought to be a factor in the decision.

I find it extremely convenient for them to obtain and analyze stats from NCAA then say it is Dept. of Education records. Dept. of Ed. does not = NCAA

The NCAA is required to collect and report the data according to guidelines set by the Department of Education. That's why the data can be considered both NCAA and DoE statistics.

http://www.psu.edu/ur/archives/inter.../gradrate.html (scroll to the bottom of the page)

Do you have any reason to doubt that the NCAA information is accurate? I trust that the folks at JBHE know what they're talking about.