Stereotyping HBCU's

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

^^^This story reminds me of something. Why did schools (or at least my school) mandate you wait 10 minutes for a teacher (15 minutes for a professor) before you are allowed to assume class is cancelled and leave? What's more, if the teacher shows up more than 15 minutes late, why are they allowed to shove you back into class and continue? If I'm more than a second late, I get points marked off, or not even allowed into class at all. If they are supposed to lead by example, why can't we say, "Too bad, you're not here so class is cancelled for today?"


(I know it'd never happen, and there'd be material lost, but it'd be nice. )

Find me a school that has that as an official rule. I've never seen it written down. It's one of those unwritten assumption things that everyone operates on.
The only times I've ever had that problem have been on days where the weather was too bad for an individual teacher to get in although school wasn't canceled or some sort of other emergency, car wreck or something. In those situations I don't mind waiting.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Find me a school that has that as an official rule. I've never seen it written down. It's one of those unwritten assumption things that everyone operates on.

Administration TOLD us that's the rule, but I've never seen it written down, either!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Administration TOLD us that's the rule, but I've never seen it written down, either!

http://www.snopes.com/college/admin/wait.asp

I suspect they just wanted you to show up.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

http://www.snopes.com/college/admin/wait.asp

I suspect they just wanted you to show up.

LOL. I advise people to NOT follow snopes' documentation of waiting times based on ranking. It will fail almost everytime. Most instructors don't care about ranking differences when it comes to students. We are at a higher ranking/power differential than undergrads and that's all that matters.

sidebar:
I had an undergrad professor who was late right before a big exam. We waited a while and left. He punished us by first chastising us via email, then at the next class session, and finally refusing to give us an exam review. Some professors will show up late and keep you extra long to make up for their lateness. Students really aren't REQUIRED to stay past the class time. However, I understand how students who don't have another class to attend or work, are afraid to walk out and potentially get penalized. That's bad ethics to try to bully your students and not ASK them if they are able to stay an extra 20 minutes to finish up material.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

sidebar:
I had an undergrad professor who was late right before a big exam. We waited a while and left. He punished us by first chastising us via email, then at the next class session, and finally refusing to give us an exam review. Some professors will show up late and keep you extra long to make up for their lateness. Students really aren't REQUIRED to stay past the class time. However, I understand how students who don't have another class to attend or work, are afraid to walk out and potentially get penalized. That's bad ethics to try to bully your students and not ASK them if they are able to stay an extra 20 minutes to finish up material.

I would recommend this for students who had several cancelled classes by any one professor (especially if you are paying tuition out of pocket).

Ask for a prorated tuition refund for each class session(s) that had to be cancelled by the professor. Why are you paying your hard earned $$ for a professor to NOT show up? That doesn't make sense.

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread....

[Infamous12]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I would recommend this for students who had several cancelled classes by any one professor (especially if you are paying tuition out of pocket).

Ask for a prorated tuition refund for each class session(s) that had to be cancelled by the professor. Why are you paying your hard earned $$ for a professor to NOT show up? That doesn't make sense.

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread....

*wish I would've thought of that*

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Infamous12

*wish I would've thought of that*

It won't work at every institution.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

LOL. I advise people to NOT follow snopes' documentation of waiting times based on ranking. It will fail almost everytime. Most instructors don't care about ranking differences when it comes to students. We are at a higher ranking/power differential than undergrads and that's all that matters.

sidebar:
I had an undergrad professor who was late right before a big exam. We waited a while and left. He punished us by first chastising us via email, then at the next class session, and finally refusing to give us an exam review. Some professors will show up late and keep you extra long to make up for their lateness. Students really aren't REQUIRED to stay past the class time. However, I understand how students who don't have another class to attend or work, are afraid to walk out and potentially get penalized. That's bad ethics to try to bully your students and not ASK them if they are able to stay an extra 20 minutes to finish up material.

Oh yeah, I wouldn't encourage it either. I think it's unfortunate that most teachers don't address what to do if THEY are the late ones in their syllabuses. Most people in my classes can't stay late, and if they drive from 45 miles away only to have a teacher not show up, they're way more pissed than the people in town.
I've always given the 15 minutes (although I know plenty of people who try to follow the rankings and stay a shorter period of time) and it's always been for a good reason, but I hate to see bad teachers abuse a class for it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Administration TOLD us that's the rule, but I've never seen it written down, either!

The "15 minute rule" is a staple of most college classrooms. But it isn't an official administrative guideline but rather a generic guideline, of sorts.

Instructors have their own guidelines for student attendance and often tell students that they can go by the "15 minute rule" just because it's familiar to most people. Universities don't penalize students at the micro-level of class attendance. Instructors do.

The only time the administration of most colleges and universities have guidelines for class attendance is when it comes to inclement weather and holiday policies.