Quota Additions at Super Competitive Schools - Page 2

Drolefille · #16 02-12-2011, 10:14 PM

^^ How many PNMs understand QAs vs. the overall "maximize your options" mantra? I'd guess very few actually "get" it.

FSUZeta · #17 02-12-2011, 10:16 PM

probably not. i would wager that the majority of recruitment counselors don't understand it(or the sip situation) either.

OleMissGlitter · #18 02-12-2011, 10:20 PM

I agree with you all and what Barbie originally posted.

Do you all think that those chapters who do struggle to "keep" their new members after Bid Day need to step up their NM Education programs? If you are "awkward alpha" shouldn’t you have the best NM Program on campus?

I have also witnessed firsthand where women who did not get a bid to their first choice end up very happy. Obviously every PNM is different. I do disagree with forcing a PNM to attend a pref party. However, I think most Panhellenic Councils really push the "maximize your options" advice.

Drolefille · #19 02-12-2011, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

probably not. i would wager that the majority of recruitment counselors don't understand it(or the sip situation) either.

Yeah we were using RFM throughout my time at school and we had the "OMG DO NOT SUICIDE" stuff and the general "maximize your options" stuff, but nothing more complex. Most actives didn't get it either.

dukedg · #20 02-12-2011, 10:23 PM

I don't think the current structure of formal recruitment (short period of time to place as many women as possible) is set up to help a struggling chapter (one that is significantly smaller than others). It is set up to place as many women in chapters as possible in a short period of time.

RFM may give the struggling chapter a chance to win over PNMs on bid day, but I don't think the chapter can convince that many women to take the gamble who wouldn't have otherwise considered joining.

Drolefille · #21 02-12-2011, 10:24 PM

Is it really formal recruitment or the attitude of HQs though?

KSUViolet06 · #22 02-12-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OleMissGlitter

I agree with you all and what Barbie originally posted.

Do you all think that those chapters who do struggle to "keep" their new members after Bid Day need to step up their NM Education programs? If you are "awkward alpha" shouldn’t you have the best NM Program on campus?
I have also witnessed firsthand where women who did not get a bid to their first choice end up very happy. Obviously every PNM is different. I do disagree with forcing a PNM to attend a pref party. However, I think most Panhellenic Councils really push the "maximize your options" advice.

I think so.

Retention is key.

I think many of the Awkward Alpha type groups don't focus on it enough.

For example: I've heard many stories of girls being really bummed about getting a bid to ABC, but perking up when they get to Bid Day and everyone is SO HAPPY to see them.

If you show up to ABC and the actives are all

about their recruitment results and not enjoying themselves, you are automatically going to panic and think you made the wrong decision to accept.

I think it's important to engage the NMs as quickly as possible and show them that women on campus are PROUD to be ABC.

Of course at some schools, retention is easier said than done. If you're coming from a place with more fliud reputation structures (ex: a pledge class can really change a reputation.)

dukedg · #23 02-12-2011, 10:33 PM

Oh, I certainly agree that the attitude of getting to quota and total at all costs is not necessarily the best path to success. I don't know why you can't build a strong sisterhood outside of formal recruitment, with women who actually want to be in the chapter. On the other hand, I feel like that requires acceptance that the chapter will likely be smaller indefinitely...

Has anyone ever seen a chapter that stopped participating in FR, but eventually built up the number of members and then started successfully participating in FR later? I'd be interested to hear how it worked.

FSUZeta · #24 02-12-2011, 10:35 PM

i have not heard of any.

dukedg · #25 02-12-2011, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I think it's important to engage the NMs as quickly as possible and show them that women on campus are PROUD to be ABC.

How do you show NMs this if the women are not proud to be ABCs and the campus/greek groups do not treat them with respect?

KSUViolet06 · #26 02-12-2011, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

i have not heard of any.

^^^Me either.

I think that in order for a "non-FR participating chapter" to be successful and thrive, there has to be an understanding from HQ that said chapter doesn't benefit from participating in FR and can still be a viable chapter without it.

When HQ understands that you don't participate and is ok with that, you can focus on your own open recruitment efforts and other aspects of sorority life.

It's hard to thrive as a chapter when the goal of your HQ peeps is to get you participating in FR and making quota and that's their only focus with you. That doesn't make for happy members or NMs.

KSUViolet06 · #27 02-12-2011, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dukedg

How do you show NMs this if the women are not proud to be ABCs and the campus/greek groups do not treat them with respect?

That's the part I don't know the answer to.

I DO think that on some level you really do just have to decide that you're going to be happy at ABC. That is also easier said than done.

carnation · #28 02-12-2011, 10:48 PM

I once started a thread here when a member asked me how they could get new members to be happy with their bids bc they were always having to console new members on Bid Day. I have no clue what it was called but lots of GCers posted some good stuff about how their chapters dealt with it.

KSUViolet06 · #29 02-12-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by carnation

I once started a thread here when a member asked me how they could get new members to be happy with their bids bc they were always having to console new members on Bid Day. I have no clue what it was called but lots of GCers posted some good stuff about how their chapters dealt with it.

This one?
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=88328

southbymidwest · #30 02-12-2011, 10:59 PM

There are certain websites that nowadays make it very difficult for a typical 18 year old PNM to be enthusiastic about the smaller/less popular sorority that she got the bid from-the whole world can see some really negative, soul crushing comments about the sorority and the members, even on a campus where there is some fluidity in popularity within greekdom. Unfortunate for everyone all around.