Nun excommunicated for allowing abortion to save the life of a mother

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

So basically every time you sin you are excommunicated until you go to confession and do your penance? You just don't have a priest declaring it to the world that you've been excommunicated for having dirty thoughts about your boss!?

According the The Wiki, there are 8 instances where latae sententiae excommunication occurs:

• an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic;
• a person who throws away the consecrated Eucharistic species or takes and retains them for a sacrilegious purpose;
• a person who uses physical force against the Pope;
• a priest who uses confession as a pretext to solicit the confessor to break the commandment against adultery;
• a bishop who ordains someone a bishop without a pontifical mandate, and the person who receives the ordination from him;
• a confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal of confession;
• a person who procures a completed abortion; and
• accomplices who are not named in a law prescribing latae sententiae excommunication but without whose assistance the violation of the law would not have been committed.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

According the The Wiki, there are 8 instances where latae sententiae excommunication occurs:

• an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic;
• a person who throws away the consecrated Eucharistic species or takes and retains them for a sacrilegious purpose;
• a person who uses physical force against the Pope;
• a priest who uses confession as a pretext to solicit the confessor to break the commandment against adultery;
• a bishop who ordains someone a bishop without a pontifical mandate, and the person who receives the ordination from him;
• a confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal of confession;
• a person who procures a completed abortion; and
• accomplices who are not named in a law prescribing latae sententiae excommunication but without whose assistance the violation of the law would not have been committed.

I feel compelled to note that MURDER ISN'T FUCKING ON THERE BUT ABORTION IS.

/rage

[DaemonSeid]

According to a hospital document, she had "right heart failure,"


...wait, was she not human?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

According to a hospital document, she had "right heart failure,"


...wait, was she not human?

She was a Time Lord.

[starang21]

catholics kill me.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

She was a Time Lord.

Somehow...I knew I set myself up for this...

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Somehow...I knew I set myself up for this...

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

According to a hospital document, she had "right heart failure,"


...wait, was she not human?

It means the right side of her heart was failing (ie. the right atrium and ventricle couldn't control the return of blood to the heart from her body.) This leads to respiratory and liver failure because blood pools in these organs as it can't be pumped forward through the left heart.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

According to NPR there is an exception in the Catholic Healthcare code of ethics or something that is what the hospital and this nun based her decision on, so why?

Sounds like the code of ethics allows for procedures that might put the fetus at risk. I doubt it would cover an out and out abortion.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

According the The Wiki, there are 8 instances where latae sententiae excommunication occurs:

• an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic;
• a person who throws away the consecrated Eucharistic species or takes and retains them for a sacrilegious purpose;
• a person who uses physical force against the Pope;
• a priest who uses confession as a pretext to solicit the confessor to break the commandment against adultery;
• a bishop who ordains someone a bishop without a pontifical mandate, and the person who receives the ordination from him;
• a confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal of confession;
• a person who procures a completed abortion; and
• accomplices who are not named in a law prescribing latae sententiae excommunication but without whose assistance the violation of the law would not have been committed.

I see that raping children, or aiding and abetting in the raping of children, isn't on there. Awesome.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I see that raping children, or aiding and abetting in the raping of children, isn't on there. Awesome.

To be fair, these are just offenses where you are automatically excommunicated. I actually think a few priests were excommunicated for molestation of children. I do find it strange that rape is not on there. I don't recall, but it is possible that rape as a concept is not in the bible, or at least any differently from other forms of unmarried intercourse.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

To be fair, these are just offenses where you are automatically excommunicated. I actually think a few priests were excommunicated for molestation of children. I do find it strange that rape is not on there. I don't recall, but it is possible that rape as a concept is not in the bible, or at least any differently from other forms of unmarried intercourse.

Priests have been defrocked, or left the church but have not been "officially" excommunicated.

You'll note that the list is primarily violations of church law. Abortion is the only thing that could be considered a civil crime (though legal in the US) except assaulting the pope. And then it's more that you hit "THE POPE" than that you hit this guy named Ratzinger.

It bothers me to no end that abortion was deemed worthy of being on this list and no other types of murder (as that is why it is a sin according to the church)

Rape in the bible is an offense against the man to whom the woman belongs: her father or her husband. The church doesn't consider it that today, but this list is not biblically based anyway per se.

Someone who committed murder would be refused communion and expected to confess to a priest, and usually these days penance would include turning themselves in but not excommunicated.

[Drolefille]

As an example of why I get so ragey over this:

Doctor who performs abortion excommunicated.

The girl was 9. She was raped. By her stepfather. The doctor, the medical team, the girl's mother - excommunicated. Her rapist? Nope.

She was spared as she is a minor.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

To be fair, these are just offenses where you are automatically excommunicated. I actually think a few priests were excommunicated for molestation of children. I do find it strange that rape is not on there. I don't recall, but it is possible that rape as a concept is not in the bible, or at least any differently from other forms of unmarried intercourse.

The concept of rape, as different from extramarital sex, is definitely in the Old Testament.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

The concept of rape, as different from extramarital sex, is definitely in the Old Testament.

Yes, but it's approved of if it's the "good guys" doing it to the "bad guys"

And restitution is made, in cash, to dad/husband.