Rush Limbaugh hopes Obama Fails

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by jwright25

Donovan McNabb - I don't know enough about his football skills to agree or disagree with Rush's assertion that he got more hype because of his skin color. Are you saying that it is impossible for Rush's statement to be true? (I don't know - I'm asking seriously, not rhetorically.)

Halle Berry / Halfrican American - I didn't know what you were referring to here and had to Google it. I am not black, and so I do not presume to pass judgment on the offensiveness of this situation. I have learned a lot from reading the other race wars on GC that what I might think is okay - really is not. So if this offends you as an African American, so be it. I won't tell you you are wrong.

Barack the Magic Negro - That term originated from an African American columnist, not Rush.

Curious George - That came from a caller to his show, not Rush.

Again, I don't think any amount of discussion or persuasion will ever convince you that Rush is right about anything. And that's OK. I do read your posts and your opinions on GC because I realize that unless I am truly informed about the ideas and opinions of those with whom I disagree, I cannot say that my own opinions have been generated without examining all sides of an issue.

I did enjoy your photos from the inauguration.

jwright...I thank you for that...and while I understand that some of what I listed didn't 'originate' from Rush's mouth, the fact that he picked up the baton as it were and ran with those thoughts and ideas, is offensive enough.

Starting with what he said about Donovan McNabb who has been one of the MOST successful QBs (period) in recent history, Rush's statements were clearly out of bounds...no pun intended.

He doesn't get credit for starting the fire but he sure as hell gets credit for fanning the flames.

And he did say 'majority' ....if you consider youself a 'minority' , and not a racist, to his argument, then it's no big deal.

[honeychile]

While I didn't vote for Barack Obama, as an American, he is now my president. Why on earth would I want to see his policies fail? But I did find the following article (I'll link & give y'all a snippet) very interesting:

Charles Krauthammer is a syndicated columnist for The Washington Post (letters@charles krauthammer.com).

Charles Krauthammer: Even Obama seems to understand how much Bush got right

"WASHINGTON -- Except for Richard Nixon, no president since Harry Truman leaves office more unloved than George W. Bush. Truman's rehabilitation took decades. Mr. Bush's will come sooner. Indeed, it has already begun. The chief revisionist? Barack Obama.

Vindication is being expressed not in words but in deeds -- the tacit endorsement conveyed by the Obama continuity-we-can-believe-in transition.

It's not just the retention of such key figures as Secretary of Defense Bob Gates or Treasury Secretary nominee Timothy Geithner, who, as president of the New York Fed, has been instrumental in guiding the Bush financial rescue over the last year. It's the continuity of policy...."



It's very easy to say, "I'm going to change this, and do that," when you don't have all the facts. Now President Obama does have the facts, so I wouldn't plan on any major changes overnight. But I do wish him the very best, as it would be in the interest of ALL Americans for him to do well.

I liked your photos, too!

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

"Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails."

The fact that Rush stated aloud his own prejudices and hateful ideologies over the health and welfare of the country is disgusting all by itself.

This is imbecilic.

Limbaugh may indeed be "hateful" and "prejudiced" but his statement, as quoted in your OP, is neither. It is anti-liberal, a stance that is not implicitly hateful or prejudiced. What, did you simply go with whatever Bush said? No, not at all - you railed against the man, both politically and personally. Now Limbaugh does the same for his politics, standing up for the same things he's been preaching to the evangelical right for decades, and you resort to ad hominem and say it's racist - seriously? You don't see the irony? You're assigning personal motives for him, when you yourself do the same thing and REJECT ANY PERSONAL MOTIVE. Come on. It's not like Limbaugh didn't wish ill on Clinton politically. Context matters.

You are reaching here, even with the comparison with the Jay-Z thread (which sucks too). At least "No more white lies" can be construed as "lies from Whites" - this thread is absolute tripe, DS, and contributes to the clusterfuck that political discussions have become on this board.

Simply put: this discussion would be better if you were. That's the new mantra, not just for you, but for everybody. Think about that before you post. Jesus.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

This is imbecilic.

Limbaugh may indeed be "hateful" and "prejudiced" but his statement, as quoted in your OP, is neither. It is anti-liberal, a stance that is not implicitly hateful or prejudiced.

You are reaching here. At least "No more white lies" can be construed as "lies from Whites" - this thread is absolute tripe, DS, and contributes to the clusterfuck that political discussions have become on this board.

Simply put: this discussion would be better if you were. That's the new mantra, not just for you, but for everybody. Think about that before you post. Jesus.

Sorry if you don't like it.

But Rush simply is not credible when making statements like that.

Again, his track record alone proves that when he opens his mouth there will be questions and cringing behind whatever tends to fall out.

Take it as you see it.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by jwright25

I have learned a lot from reading the other race wars on GC that what I might think is okay - really is not.

lol - k

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Sorry if you don't like it.

But Rush simply is not credible when making statements like that.

Again, his track record alone proves that when he opens his mouth there will be questions and cringing behind whatever tends to fall out.

Take it as you see it.

Credibility is markedly different than the assertions you made in the original post.

Indeed, even if you'd simply said "I can't take this bigot seriously" you would have been on the right path. You didn't.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Credibility is markedly different than the assertions you made in the original post.

Indeed, even if you'd simply said "I can't take this bigot seriously" you would have been on the right path. You didn't.

I was, you didn't follow.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I was, you didn't follow.

Really? You're claiming my reading comprehension was off? I mean . . . do you want me to walk through this?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Really? You're claiming my reading comprehension was off? I mean . . . do you want me to walk through this?

Do what you feel, no one is holding a gun to your head.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Do what you feel, no one is holding a gun to your head.

... or you could simply say "I was unclear" or "I was being rash and reactionary"?

In the interest of time and humility - it's the season for coming together.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

... or you could simply say "I was unclear" or "I was being rash and reactionary"?

In the interest of time and humility - it's the season for coming together.

I won't because I was very clear in what I said.

Maybe you just don't want to believe that I said it or the fact that it was said.

You just need to reconcile with the fact that Rush is not exactly a friend of Black America, in my view and as someone stated earlier, I think is racist and more than enough times his bias has come out and has been called into question and even in McNabb's case,(and to a huge degree Tony Dungy) proven wrong, what more do you need?

So yeah, when he opens up his mouth and let's some stuff like that slide past his teeth, it's not wishful thinking that he hopes the POLICIES fails like you believe...he is hoping that the Black man who was elected and sworn in fails, just so in four years he can say, "I told you so."



That is what I believe...you don't have to like it.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I won't because I was very clear in what I said.

Maybe you just don't want to believe that I said it or the fact that it was said.

deepimpact2, ITY?

[CrackerBarrel]

I don't get why what Rush said is racist.

Even if you accept your premise that he is a racist (which I think is at least arguable, but I don't listen to the man and don't really care whether he is or not) than what he said isn't racist.

Rush didn't say "I hope he fails so that we don't ever elect another black president."

He said simply "I hope he fails." In certain areas so do I. Why? Not because I'm a racist, but because big government policies are the opposite of what I believe in. Obama succeeding will mean an astronomical growth in entitlement programs, increased government ownership and control of US industry, sweet deals for the labor unions, tax "rebates" going to people who weren't paying taxes in the first place, and any number of other similar policies. If you are of the opinion that those changes, many of them nearly irreversible, will worsen America than you hope that Obama fails in getting them implemented. Simple as that.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by jwright25

As someone who listens to Rush, this is a surprise to learn that I'm a racist. May I ask how you know that about me?

It should be an even bigger surprise to find that you don't have to be in the majority of his audience.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

I don't get why what Rush said is racist.

He said simply "I hope he fails." In certain areas so do I. Why? Not because I'm a racist, but because big government policies are the opposite of what I believe in. Obama succeeding will mean an astronomical growth in entitlement programs, increased government ownership and control of US industry, sweet deals for the labor unions, tax "rebates" going to people who weren't paying taxes in the first place, and any number of other similar policies. If you are of the opinion that those changes, many of them nearly irreversible, will worsen America than you hope that Obama fails in getting them implemented. Simple as that.

Agreed