Rush Limbaugh hopes Obama Fails

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Sorry if you don't like it.

But Rush simply is not credible when making statements like that.

Again, his track record alone proves that when he opens his mouth there will be questions and cringing behind whatever tends to fall out.

Take it as you see it.

Credibility is markedly different than the assertions you made in the original post.

Indeed, even if you'd simply said "I can't take this bigot seriously" you would have been on the right path. You didn't.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Credibility is markedly different than the assertions you made in the original post.

Indeed, even if you'd simply said "I can't take this bigot seriously" you would have been on the right path. You didn't.

I was, you didn't follow.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I was, you didn't follow.

Really? You're claiming my reading comprehension was off? I mean . . . do you want me to walk through this?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Really? You're claiming my reading comprehension was off? I mean . . . do you want me to walk through this?

Do what you feel, no one is holding a gun to your head.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Do what you feel, no one is holding a gun to your head.

... or you could simply say "I was unclear" or "I was being rash and reactionary"?

In the interest of time and humility - it's the season for coming together.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

... or you could simply say "I was unclear" or "I was being rash and reactionary"?

In the interest of time and humility - it's the season for coming together.

I won't because I was very clear in what I said.

Maybe you just don't want to believe that I said it or the fact that it was said.

You just need to reconcile with the fact that Rush is not exactly a friend of Black America, in my view and as someone stated earlier, I think is racist and more than enough times his bias has come out and has been called into question and even in McNabb's case,(and to a huge degree Tony Dungy) proven wrong, what more do you need?

So yeah, when he opens up his mouth and let's some stuff like that slide past his teeth, it's not wishful thinking that he hopes the POLICIES fails like you believe...he is hoping that the Black man who was elected and sworn in fails, just so in four years he can say, "I told you so."



That is what I believe...you don't have to like it.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I won't because I was very clear in what I said.

Maybe you just don't want to believe that I said it or the fact that it was said.

deepimpact2, ITY?

[CrackerBarrel]

I don't get why what Rush said is racist.

Even if you accept your premise that he is a racist (which I think is at least arguable, but I don't listen to the man and don't really care whether he is or not) than what he said isn't racist.

Rush didn't say "I hope he fails so that we don't ever elect another black president."

He said simply "I hope he fails." In certain areas so do I. Why? Not because I'm a racist, but because big government policies are the opposite of what I believe in. Obama succeeding will mean an astronomical growth in entitlement programs, increased government ownership and control of US industry, sweet deals for the labor unions, tax "rebates" going to people who weren't paying taxes in the first place, and any number of other similar policies. If you are of the opinion that those changes, many of them nearly irreversible, will worsen America than you hope that Obama fails in getting them implemented. Simple as that.

[LttleMsPrEp]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

So yeah, when he opens up his mouth and let's some stuff like that slide past his teeth, it's not wishful thinking that he hopes the POLICIES fails like you believe...he is hoping that the Black man who was elected and sworn in fails, just so in four years he can say, "I told you so."



That is what I believe...you don't have to like it.

I think that you're reaching. Even if Obama does fail and Rush is able to say "I told you so" is it impossible to think that his context of saying "I told you so" is that he knew from the beginning that Obama's policies wouldn't work and that America was just slow to realize it?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

You just need to reconcile with the fact that Rush is not exactly a friend of Black America, in my view and as someone stated earlier, I think is racist and more than enough times his bias has come out and has been called into question and even in McNabb's case,(and to a huge degree Tony Dungy) proven wrong, what more do you need?

First, as an Eagles fan, I'm almost 100% sure we should avoid the McNabb conversation right now. Give me a couple of weeks, man!

Second, I'm repeatedly on record as saying "context matters" - and what you're doing is taking his statements from the standpoint of the man's past racial missteps, and essentially saying "anything he says must be racially motivated because of his past." I get that.

However, it's also important to look at the actual words being used - even with the context of exposing racial bias in the past, he's completely allowed to hope that Obama fails in his liberal policy expansion. Indeed, he noted the exact same feelings toward Clinton - how do we reconcile that?

In short, I think you're going too far - you're going beyond credibility and reading into it actual malice or ill intent. When you go with "heh...for those that got offended at what Jay Z said....take a gander at this:" the comparison is implicit: this is a racist or racially-motivated statement. There's simply nothing in the statement to back that up - and, sure, Limbaugh's publicists probably scrubbed it to be neat and tidy, but any time we cry "racist!" at something that probably isn't, we devalue all of the correct cries. This is, in essence, how we get shit like claims of 'reverse racism' (which doesn't even conceptually make sense).

The quotes you posted later are very strongly racial and show pretty strong prejudice. It's not that they don't apply to Rush, who likely is biased against blacks (and not in the "thinks they're better than him at basketball" way) - it's that even racists can say things about a black man that aren't racially motivated. Context (still) matters, even when it's not the context we want to include. We have to look at all of the evidence, not just the evidence that fits our preconception.

I don't want you to think I'm playing gatekeeper, but there's a centrist area that is vital.