South vs. North?

[UGAalum94]

How you do do multiple quotes in the same posts?

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

The news story above confirms your theory that Atlanta isn't as segregated as I thought.

As far as the second point, I agree it probably really hard for well educated affluent young black people to find places that they want to live and feel completely welcome.

I think the "cautious hesitation" may be fear of white flight, not so much fear, distrust, or hatred of black people. As you probably know, the city and the surrounding area have experienced shifting demographics; think about Clayton County 10-15 years ago and Clayton County today. South/Mid Gwinnett, 10 years ago versus today. They're demographically different. I think people have concern that any racial change is approaching the "white flight" tipping point. Sure, it's a little racist, but it's more worrying about other people's racist actions that you have no control over.

Well, it may be part-racism, but its also from experience in a lot of situations. Its very common in the metro area to see a nice affluent area where affluent and educated minorities move in. However, its also fairly common that they're followed by less affluent, less educated minorities, and suddenly property values are going down, violence goes up, etc. I think its rough for black people because they have the stigma that they're the ones starting the domino effect, but in reality they're trying to get away from the same things the affluent white folks are.

[SWTXBelle]

Ivy Spice - I don't consider the slave rebellion to be on the same par as the War Between the States - but I concede it was hardly peaceable!

[PGT_uga]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I think its rough for black people because they have the stigma that they're the ones starting the domino effect, but in reality they're trying to get away from the same things the affluent white folks are.

Exactly.

[IvySpice]

Each of us has as much control over who our ancestors were, or what our ancestors did or thought as we had control over our height or DNA. It's how you process it and how you decide to improve on their lot that's important.

Agreed. It is perplexing, then, that people express so much pride in their ancestors. You can't control who they are and what they did, so what do YOU have to be proud of? If your pride stems from your association with their noble accomplishments, why shouldn't you feel shame about their shameful acts? You have exactly the same degree of connection to their evil acts as to any others.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by IvySpice

Agreed. It is perplexing, then, that people express so much pride in their ancestors. You can't control who they are and what they did, so what do YOU have to be proud of? If your pride stems from your association with their noble accomplishments, why shouldn't you feel shame about their shameful acts? You have exactly the same degree of connection to their evil acts as to any others.

So there should be no Black History Month?

[SWTXBelle]

Or Founders' Days, apparently.
I know that I celebrate my noble ancestors, the founders of my sorority, the martyrs and saints of my religion and the great minds who founded my country because to do so is to encourage myself, my children, my sisters and my students to emulate them. It is to recognize the sacrifices and work they put into developing institutions I love. It is because I love what they loved, and want to pass a legacy of knowledge and understanding to my children, and their children. It is because while times and societies change, certain truths remain - and those are worth preserving.

[Lady of Pearl]

There is nothing like that Good ole Southern Hospitality and courteousness, having lived in the midwest, and northeast there's something about the pace of life there and what I feel is more manners.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

My ulimate point is that I hate to see southerners carrying the burden of a guilt which has been unfairly laid on their shoulders. I think that rather than dwelling on the past, it is better to look at the progress that has been made, and continues to be made, and do all we can to further the idea that all men are equal before the law. That's it - I just want you to feel you can state you love the south without feeling obligated to make a qualifying statement.

Rather than dwelling on the past-southerners are still hanging confederate flags. That's dwelling if I ever saw it. Sorry.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Rather than dwelling on the past-southerners are still hanging confederate flags. That's dwelling if I ever saw it. Sorry.

I don't agree. I think there are usually two reasons for hanging the flag. Either you're a white trash idiot who thinks we should secede again, or you're a southerner who is legitimately proud of their heritage. Unfortunately the former has ruined it for the latter.

There are a lot of things the south embodies that aren't present in the rest of the country. Naturally, people devoted to the south and proud of the values held here and the quality of life enjoyed here want to display that.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

The research triangle is not southern.

RTP certainly isn't Southern -- too many transplants. But most (not all) of what surrounds it definitely is Southern.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I don't agree. I think there are usually two reasons for hanging the flag. Either you're a white trash idiot who thinks we should secede again, or you're a southerner who is legitimately proud of their heritage. Unfortunately the former has ruined it for the latter.

There are a lot of things the south embodies that aren't present in the rest of the country. Naturally, people devoted to the south and proud of the values held here and the quality of life enjoyed here want to display that.

Fair enough, and I would agree that white trash have been more brazen with the whole 'the south will rise again' thing. It really makes the south look terrible.

[SWTXBelle]

Most people who want to argue that the Confederate Naval Jack is racist will point to the fact that the KKK marches with it - seemingly ignoring the fact that they also march with the USA flag. Logically, if the one is racist because the KKK uses it, then the other should be, too. They also march with a Christian flag - and I'm pretty sure that is not the use Jesus would like to see made of the symbol of the cross. Many southerners (myself included) absolutely cringe when any of the three aforementioned symbols are used in any hateful, ignorant manner.

[NUBlue&Blue]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Well, I feel better about how I was thinking about Ohio, but doesn't it seem weird that everything from Ohio to Nebraska would be Midwestern?

Nebraska is one of those states that is half and half...Midwestern and Western. Once you pass Grand Island on that mindnumbing ride across the state on I-80, you're in the West. By Lexington, you're there for sure.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Most people who want to argue that the Confederate Naval Jack is racist will point to the fact that the KKK marches with it - seemingly ignoring the fact that they also march with the USA flag. Logically, if the one is racist because the KKK uses it, then the other should be, too. They also march with a Christian flag - and I'm pretty sure that is not the use Jesus would like to see made of the symbol of the cross. Many southerners (myself included) absolutely cringe when any of the three aforementioned symbols are used in any hateful, ignorant manner.

It's a flag, flags aren't racist, people are racist. People are also stupid. England's done a lot of horrible things in the past and I don't like that, but they're not doing it so much these days. They've also apologized a lot as well.