Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Paying the bills comes before self-actualization. For most folks, if that's what they expect out of the job market, they'll be waiting a very, very long time.

And in the final analysis, what the heck difference does it make what I did, what my situation is or whether I'm a sympathetic soul? None of those weigh in on whether someone could possibly be at least partially responsible for their own plight.

Well Kevin, so you are now a Social Worker and understand Maslow's Heirarchy of needs. Well not so wise Budda, please tell me, what is the first of the heirarchy of needs? Let me clue you in, it's physiological--that includes those of food, clothing, and shelter. Duh!


So therefore, you're theory doesn't really pan out about paying the bills coming before self-actualization. Why, it's very simple, most people rarely, if ever, reach the level of self-actulization. Moreover, if the first two heirarchy of needs AREN'T met, then the person being ABLE to even reach self-actulization, is next to damn near impossible!

Therefore, what I am saying to you is very simple, if I cannot meet my basic needs, those which are primary to my survival, how then can I begin to reach the level of a need that doesn't help me at this point and time.

Self-actulization comes when a person is feeling that their basic needs are met, when they feel secure, when they feel like they are where or at a point of belonging, and where they can begin to feel like they have self-esteem.

Yes, paying the bills does come before self-actulization, however, in order to reach the level of self-actulization, you have to have the esteem that you need from within. I'm sorry, when you suddenly become unemployed, a river washes over you and I am sorry, your basic needs get slammed right in front of your face. And the previous heirarchy levels that you may have met BEFORE, quickly vanish when you are faced with not being able to have your physiological needs met.

That's simple, that's not complex, that's understandable, but I doubt that it's something that you're going to ever get or even comprehend.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by APhiAnna

Why am I picturing Stringer Bell right now...

I have nothing pertinent to add to this thread other than the fact that I <3 The Wire.

[ZTAngel]

Originally Posted by Kevin

If you're only interviewing once per month or every other month, you're not trying hard enough or you need to move to where the jobs are or you need to pick a new profession. Truth. I don't care where you are -- there are more jobs out there than an interview in December and one in February.

Oh, really? Do you have any statistics to back that one up? Other than assumptions from your rose-colored world.

I've sometimes agreed with you in other threads and I respect you in the sense that we've both been moderators on GC together for many, many years. But, I have to say, you've really painted yourself to be an arrogant, out-of-touch asshole in this thread.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by ZTAngel

Oh, really? Do you have any statistics to back that one up? Other than assumptions from your rose-colored world.

I've sometimes agreed with you in other threads and I respect you in the sense that we've both been moderators on GC together for many, many years. But, I have to say, you've really painted yourself to be an arrogant, out-of-touch asshole in this thread.

[Lil' Hannah]

Originally Posted by libramunoz

I pay my OWN DAMN TAXES--what I get in unemployment DOES NOT COME FROM YOU! It comes from what I HAVE PUT INTO THE SYSTEM THROUGH MY OWN AMOUNT OF WORK!

Actually, employers pay SUTA (State Unemployment Tax Act) taxes which unemployed workers draw benefits from. Employees do not pay directly into unemployment tax accounts.

But that's really neither here nor there at this point in the discussion...

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by Kevin

If you're only interviewing once per month or every other month, you're not trying hard enough or you need to move to where the jobs are or you need to pick a new profession. Truth. I don't care where you are -- there are more jobs out there than an interview in December and one in February.

Says the person that last had to interview when??? You can have an opinion about something but you need to be smart enough to know when it's just an opinion and when it is an educated opinion. Unfortunately, you neither directly deal with the unemployed via job placement, unemployment benefits provider, or are unemployed, so no you are not QUALIFIED to make these statements.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Since when has there been different kinds of drug dealers? Drug dealing is drug dealing. Which, to me, equals ghetto. Ghetto, trailer trash, and low class people don't have a color, to me. Max targets one race of people, and it's not based on race. Low class is low class, regardless of anyone's race.

The bold basically answers what I was asking.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I think she's trying to say that "ghetto" doesn't automatically mean "drug dealer"

There are people from ghettos who turn out ok. There are also people from affluent neighborhood who end up selling drugs or being bad seeds.

YES! Thanks for clarifying that. That was my point.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I don't think Max is trying to get people upset, I think he really believes what he post.

And PrettyFace08, I'm really sorry about relating "ghetto" with drug dealing. I was wrong. It's just that I was only trying to get Max to see that the "race" of people who he's called "ghetto" on several occasions, are actually smarter than (and not lazy) the "trailer trash" that he seems to leave out of his posts. He doesn't get that it works that way with every race of people.

Oh, no apology is needed. I was really just trying to get a better understanding of what you meant, seriously. I was just going to explain to you what Knight_Shadow did. It's cool, and I agree with what you were saying.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by Kevin

If you're only interviewing once per month or every other month, you're not trying hard enough or you need to move to where the jobs are or you need to pick a new profession. Truth. I don't care where you are -- there are more jobs out there than an interview in December and one in February.

I'm being so sincere right now, is your head really that far up your bum? No, seriously. Have you not read that people have been putting in tons of applications/resumes a week? Whether or not you get an interview is not up to you, employers see hundreds of applications. Oh...and how is it that you move when you don't have any money? Do you think you'd be gainfully employed if you weren't given a job at your family's firm?

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by ZTAngel

Oh, really? Do you have any statistics to back that one up? Other than assumptions from your rose-colored world.

I've sometimes agreed with you in other threads and I respect you in the sense that we've both been moderators on GC together for many, many years. But, I have to say, you've really painted yourself to be an arrogant, out-of-touch asshole in this thread.

Zing!

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by ZTAngel

Oh, really? Do you have any statistics to back that one up? Other than assumptions from your rose-colored world.

I've sometimes agreed with you in other threads and I respect you in the sense that we've both been moderators on GC together for many, many years. But, I have to say, you've really painted yourself to be an arrogant, out-of-touch asshole in this thread.

Bada bing, Bada boom!

[DrPhil]

Welp, one way to make sure it's NEVER the unemployed person's fault is to take the Amy Bishop approach to employment.

Give me the job, bitches!
Give me the raise, bitches!
*bang*

Oh wait...that transforms proactive and responsible into immoral, pscyho, and criminal. But, she probably thought she was taking Kevin's advice.

[DrPhil]

If Kevin isn't just joking around, I am inclined to believe that he isn't too bright and intuitive, and is hiding that fact behind notions of social conservatism and legal studies (many people think being an attorney entails completely neutral and objective applications of anything and everything--it's like a 24/7 Intro to Philosophy and Logic course).

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I worked retail for 9 years. I'm pretty familiar with working at a job I detest. Did it suck? Yes. Did it add about a year to my undergrad? Yep. Did it pay the bills? Sure did. Would I do it again? No doubt. Beats the heck outta living on credit. Liking what you are doing is a luxury not everyone gets to have. Paying the bills comes before self-actualization. For most folks, if that's what they expect out of the job market, they'll be waiting a very, very long time.

you...were...a...collegiate...and...collegiates... can...get...the...job...you...had...
more...than...college...graduates...can.....

This is a discussion of general unemployment with no consideration to age, race, gender, social class, education level, income level, family responsibilities, etc. "If A then B." I want you to dig back in that intro-level course and find the "...and sometimes C."

I think we ALL understand that we have some level of choice and responsibility even is something isn't completely our doing/fault. That's also what Anthony Giddens' "structuration theory" (structure and agency) is about. We aren't robots, but are agents of choice even in the social structure. But, if that basic understanding of humanity is what you're stuck on then I feel really sorry for you. Many many many years ago I had a similar "you should've chosen better" approach to some social issues and then I took my head out of my ass and observed the social world.