Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by 33girl

So I should move to the Sun Belt and be a nurse. Yinz better all come to my funeral after I shoot myself in the head.

Well, if you knew that'd fix your jobless problems and you decided against it, whose decision was that?

You're damned lucky if you get up every day and LIKE what you're doing. Don't tell other people that they need to do something they're awful at or that they detest just because you can't fathom what that's like.

I worked retail for 9 years. I'm pretty familiar with working at a job I detest. Did it suck? Yes. Did it add about a year to my undergrad? Yep. Did it pay the bills? Sure did. Would I do it again? No doubt. Beats the heck outta living on credit. Liking what you are doing is a luxury not everyone gets to have. Paying the bills comes before self-actualization. For most folks, if that's what they expect out of the job market, they'll be waiting a very, very long time.

And in the final analysis, what the heck difference does it make what I did, what my situation is or whether I'm a sympathetic soul? None of those weigh in on whether someone could possibly be at least partially responsible for their own plight.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well, if you knew that'd fix your jobless problems and you decided against it, whose decision was that?



I worked retail for 9 years. I'm pretty familiar with working at a job I detest. Did it suck? Yes. Did it add about a year to my undergrad? Yep. Did it pay the bills? Sure did. Would I do it again? No doubt. Beats the heck outta living on credit. Liking what you are doing is a luxury not everyone gets to have. Paying the bills comes before self-actualization. For most folks, if that's what they expect out of the job market, they'll be waiting a very, very long time.

And in the final analysis, what the heck difference does it make what I did, what my situation is or whether I'm a sympathetic soul? None of those weigh in on whether someone could possibly be at least partially responsible for their own plight.

How does one getting laid off of a job (especially if they are going thru a downsizing) make them responsible?

Still waiting for you to answer my ?? BTW

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well, if you knew that'd fix your jobless problems and you decided against it, whose decision was that?



I worked retail for 9 years. I'm pretty familiar with working at a job I detest. Did it suck? Yes. Did it add about a year to my undergrad? Yep. Did it pay the bills? Sure did. Would I do it again? No doubt. Beats the heck outta living on credit. Liking what you are doing is a luxury not everyone gets to have. Paying the bills comes before self-actualization. For most folks, if that's what they expect out of the job market, they'll be waiting a very, very long time.

And in the final analysis, what the heck difference does it make what I did, what my situation is or whether I'm a sympathetic soul? None of those weigh in on whether someone could possibly be at least partially responsible for their own plight.

RETAIL JOBS WILL NOT HIRE US BECAUSE WE HAVE COLLEGE DEGREES AND WE WILL LEAVE AT THE NEXT BEST OPPORTUNITY. WE ARE O V E R Q U A L I F I E D

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

RETAIL JOBS WILL NOT HIRE US BECAUSE WE HAVE COLLEGE DEGREES AND WE WILL LEAVE AT THE NEXT BEST OPPORTUNITY. WE ARE O V E R Q U A L I F I E D

You know what...you all are responsible for being too educated to get a job.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well, if you knew that'd fix your jobless problems and you decided against it, whose decision was that?

OK, if you want me to be a nurse and be responsible for the care of your loved ones - while hating every stinking second of it - I'm there, dude. Fortunately, I care about other people too much to be their nurse or educate their children. I'm a little more self aware than that.

Not everyone is suited for every job. In some jobs, this is just an annoyance. In others, it can be LIFE THREATENING.

Originally Posted by Kevin

I worked retail for 9 years (while knowing I had a position waiting for me when I got out of law school). I'm pretty familiar with working at a job I detest (and know is only temporary).

Fixed your post for you.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Paying the bills comes before self-actualization. For most folks, if that's what they expect out of the job market, they'll be waiting a very, very long time.

And in the final analysis, what the heck difference does it make what I did, what my situation is or whether I'm a sympathetic soul? None of those weigh in on whether someone could possibly be at least partially responsible for their own plight.

Well Kevin, so you are now a Social Worker and understand Maslow's Heirarchy of needs. Well not so wise Budda, please tell me, what is the first of the heirarchy of needs? Let me clue you in, it's physiological--that includes those of food, clothing, and shelter. Duh!


So therefore, you're theory doesn't really pan out about paying the bills coming before self-actualization. Why, it's very simple, most people rarely, if ever, reach the level of self-actulization. Moreover, if the first two heirarchy of needs AREN'T met, then the person being ABLE to even reach self-actulization, is next to damn near impossible!

Therefore, what I am saying to you is very simple, if I cannot meet my basic needs, those which are primary to my survival, how then can I begin to reach the level of a need that doesn't help me at this point and time.

Self-actulization comes when a person is feeling that their basic needs are met, when they feel secure, when they feel like they are where or at a point of belonging, and where they can begin to feel like they have self-esteem.

Yes, paying the bills does come before self-actulization, however, in order to reach the level of self-actulization, you have to have the esteem that you need from within. I'm sorry, when you suddenly become unemployed, a river washes over you and I am sorry, your basic needs get slammed right in front of your face. And the previous heirarchy levels that you may have met BEFORE, quickly vanish when you are faced with not being able to have your physiological needs met.

That's simple, that's not complex, that's understandable, but I doubt that it's something that you're going to ever get or even comprehend.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I worked retail for 9 years. I'm pretty familiar with working at a job I detest. Did it suck? Yes. Did it add about a year to my undergrad? Yep. Did it pay the bills? Sure did. Would I do it again? No doubt. Beats the heck outta living on credit. Liking what you are doing is a luxury not everyone gets to have. Paying the bills comes before self-actualization. For most folks, if that's what they expect out of the job market, they'll be waiting a very, very long time.

you...were...a...collegiate...and...collegiates... can...get...the...job...you...had...
more...than...college...graduates...can.....

This is a discussion of general unemployment with no consideration to age, race, gender, social class, education level, income level, family responsibilities, etc. "If A then B." I want you to dig back in that intro-level course and find the "...and sometimes C."

I think we ALL understand that we have some level of choice and responsibility even is something isn't completely our doing/fault. That's also what Anthony Giddens' "structuration theory" (structure and agency) is about. We aren't robots, but are agents of choice even in the social structure. But, if that basic understanding of humanity is what you're stuck on then I feel really sorry for you. Many many many years ago I had a similar "you should've chosen better" approach to some social issues and then I took my head out of my ass and observed the social world.