A Victory for Sororities: Education Department Rules Sororities Are for Women Only

[Zach]

I read the comments on here and I agree and disagree. For me, as a public school teacher, my priority is fostering a safe, respectful environment for every student. If a student requests a preferred name or pronoun, I honor that to uphold our district’s nondiscrimination policy. At the same time, my role is to teach academic standards and facilitate healthy development which means I don’t engage in medical or identity counseling. I strive to be consistent and transparent. I treat every student with dignity while maintaining the factual integrity of the curriculum. In doing so, we balance compassion with clarity, ensuring no child feels marginalized or misled.

All I’m saying is that kids are still developing, and it’s not my place to push identity, it’s my job to teach, listen, and guide. I don’t debate biology, and at the same time, I don’t shame anyone either. I just try to be honest and consistent while giving kids room to grow without confusion or pressure.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Zach

I read the comments on here and I agree and disagree. For me, as a public school teacher, my priority is fostering a safe, respectful environment for every student. If a student requests a preferred name or pronoun, I honor that to uphold our district’s nondiscrimination policy. At the same time, my role is to teach academic standards and facilitate healthy development which means I don’t engage in medical or identity counseling. I strive to be consistent and transparent. I treat every student with dignity while maintaining the factual integrity of the curriculum. In doing so, we balance compassion with clarity, ensuring no child feels marginalized or misled.

All I’m saying is that kids are still developing, and it’s not my place to push identity, it’s my job to teach, listen, and guide. I don’t debate biology, and at the same time, I don’t shame anyone either. I just try to be honest and consistent while giving kids room to grow without confusion or pressure.

All the love for this.

[SWTXBelle]

The issue I had with the KKG case was nationals should NEVER force a chapter to either take or not take a pnm.

Too many people are willing to simplify biology to fit their ideologies, ignoring the complex nature of sex and gender. I trust my sisters, and I fully embrace any transwoman who comes into our sisterhood. Unlike most negative commenters, I know and love transpeople and have no interest in becoming the genitalia police. Masculine-looking ciswomen have been assaulted by the genitalia police; maybe people should worry less about other people who are just trying to use the bathroom.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

The issue I had with the KKG case was nationals should NEVER force a chapter to either take or not take a pnm.

The most ironic part of this whole deal is that KKG (like all NPC sororities) most likely at one school or another has ALREADY had transgender members who had great grades and extracurriculars and were happily welcomed by the chapter without the voting being manipulative. Why they chose this hill to die on, I do not know.

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by Zach

I read the comments on here and I agree and disagree. For me, as a public school teacher, my priority is fostering a safe, respectful environment for every student. If a student requests a preferred name or pronoun, I honor that to uphold our district’s nondiscrimination policy. At the same time, my role is to teach academic standards and facilitate healthy development which means I don’t engage in medical or identity counseling. I strive to be consistent and transparent. I treat every student with dignity while maintaining the factual integrity of the curriculum. In doing so, we balance compassion with clarity, ensuring no child feels marginalized or misled.

All I’m saying is that kids are still developing, and it’s not my place to push identity, it’s my job to teach, listen, and guide. I don’t debate biology, and at the same time, I don’t shame anyone either. I just try to be honest and consistent while giving kids room to grow without confusion or pressure.

Would you be opposed to a transgender chick joining Phi Beta Sigma?

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

The issue I had with the KKG case was nationals should NEVER force a chapter to either take or not take a pnm.

Too many people are willing to simplify biology to fit their ideologies, ignoring the complex nature of sex and gender. I trust my sisters, and I fully embrace any transwoman who comes into our sisterhood. Unlike most negative commenters, I know and love transpeople and have no interest in becoming the genitalia police. Masculine-looking ciswomen have been assaulted by the genitalia police; maybe people should worry less about other people who are just trying to use the bathroom.

Call me dumb but wtf is a ciswoman?

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

I forgot to leave my opinion on the matter. I won’t get into the details PB posted LOL! because I don’t know what he knows, but I’ll just say this: I cosign with honeychile, CG, and PB - you got people identifying as animals now. Therefore, if a grown man tells me he’s a cat, I’m not buying kibble or building dude a scratching post. Same with gender. Those who disagree with me, believe what you want, but if you ain’t got ovaries or you can’t produce sperm, biology already told the truth.

Ya know what? If someone walks into my clinic insisting they’re a Labrador, I’m not affirming that, I’m preparing a stool sample kit and asking when their last heartworm test was. And don’t tell me you’re a dog and then get squeamish when I reach for the gel and thermometer. You don’t get to cosplay biology and then tap out when biology answers back.

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Call me dumb but wtf is a ciswoman?

Oh you mean… woman. The original. Factory settings. No assembly required. That’s just what they call us now so a man in eyeliner can feel included.

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Oh you mean… woman. The original. Factory settings. No assembly required. That’s just what they call us now so a man in eyeliner can feel included.

What? You lost me. I’m asking what a ciswoman is. That’s what I meant.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Ya know what? If someone walks into my clinic insisting they’re a Labrador, I’m not affirming that, I’m preparing a stool sample kit and asking when their last heartworm test was. And don’t tell me you’re a dog and then get squeamish when I reach for the gel and thermometer. You don’t get to cosplay biology and then tap out when biology answers back.


Oh you mean… woman. The original. Factory settings. No assembly required. That’s just what they call us now so a man in eyeliner can feel included.

Actually, the term is based in science and isn't simply what "they" (educated, non-bigoted people, I guess) call "us". https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/hi...ientific-roots

What defines your sex? Genitalia? Hormones? Chromosomes? Guess what - there are myriad ways those can present, meaning that the idea that there are 2 sexes, easily determined and immutable, is biologically wrong. https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...y-simplistic1/

This breaks down the issues nicely - https://www.boredpanda.com/biologica...witter-thread/

Stating that people are "identifying as animals" is fallacious and insulting. I know the pain and heartache my trans friends and family have gone through. They don't deserve the contempt and insults of transphobes and TERFs. Let people decide for themselves how to live their lives, especially if it doesn't affect yours. Trust chapters to decide for themselves which women of whatever ilk they wish to extend a bid to, and take all that energy and put it towards something positive.

ETA - I'm not interested in any ignorant/bigoted replies; I've heard them all before, and they tend to want to ignore the scientific/medical complications inherent in discussing sex and gender. The similarity between them and the discussions NPC sororities had about admitting women of color is striking. I said my piece and won't be following or replying.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Would you be opposed to a transgender chick joining Phi Beta Sigma?

Initially, no. Because none of this was possible or even a thought in 1914, so I can only abide by our Founders original rules. If that was a thing back then, maybe it’d have been different. If we did allow it, although I’d initially be opposed to it, I’d eventually accept the person as a member and keep it moving.

But I couldn’t see myself dating a former dude tho. That, I would never do.

[navane]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Call me dumb but wtf is a ciswoman?

"Cis" is a Latin prefix or word which means "on the same side". So, in this context, cisgender, cisman, and ciswoman are meant to describe individuals whose gender identity matches their biological sex. So, if you were born a biological female, and you identify as a female, then the term now given is "ciswoman".

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by naraht

As a note, cis and trans as prefixes viewed as opposites goes back centuries as a concept in Chemistry. (for example) two Carbons linked by a double bond one of which has a Hydrogen and a Chlorine and the other a Hydrogen and a Fluorine exist in two forms. Cis, where the Chlorine and Flourine are on the same side of the carbon bond and trans where they are across from each other.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

It’s basically real science misused to give bullshit a fake ass lab coat.

I would need you to break your post down CG so I can understand it. I’m also not understanding how naraht is proving your point. Because of that, I read naraht’s post 4 times and your post 6 times and what I’m getting out of what you’re trying to say is what I changed your post to. Am I right?

Originally Posted by navane

"Cis" is a Latin prefix or word which means "on the same side". So, in this context, cisgender, cisman, and ciswoman are meant to describe individuals whose gender identity matches their biological sex. So, if you were born a biological female, and you identify as a female, then the term now given is "ciswoman".

You see how confusing that is? It’s bullshit, if you ask me.

[Cranberry]

Originally Posted by 33girl

The most ironic part of this whole deal is that KKG (like all NPC sororities) most likely at one school or another has ALREADY had transgender members who had great grades and extracurriculars and were happily welcomed by the chapter without the voting being manipulative. Why they chose this hill to die on, I do not know.

And why in Wyoming?

[Pinkmagnolia921]

Originally Posted by Cranberry

And why in Wyoming?

I've wondered the same thing! It's puzzling for sure!

[Phrozen Sands]

CG, I forgot to ask you what you mean by “marketing”. What’s that got to do with anything?

[FSUZeta]

Could it have been due to the murder( 2 decades ago) in Laramie of Matthew Shepard, a young gay man who was murdered and tied to a post in a field? That case got a lot of attention worldwide.