A Victory for Sororities: Education Department Rules Sororities Are for Women Only

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by honeychile

IIRC, Big Dude DID get into Kappa Kappa Gamma. This has been going on for two years now. I don't know if he was initiated or not, but the timeline would say that he was.

This issue has been really disturbing to me, not only on a sorority level, but the Daughters of the American Revolution are going through a similar problem. I just don't understand how a man joins the DAR instead of the Sons of the American Revolution, especially when birth certificates are involved.

I remember there being some lawsuits involved or something like that, that’s why I thought it got caught and assumed dude didn’t make it in.

I’m not familiar with DAR. What is that?

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

That dude is a member, Phroze. He looks like a soft football player. What gets me is some were taking group photos with him. They all should have slid right out that photo frame and left him posing solo in that too tight baby-gap-sized KKG shirt.

LOL

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

I remember there being some lawsuits involved or something like that, that’s why I thought it got caught and assumed dude didn’t make it in.

I’m not familiar with DAR. What is that?


LOL

It stands for Daughters of the American Revolution. It's for women who have an ancestor who served for the Patriots/Continental line during the Revolution. Interestingly, the SONS of the American Revolution (SAR) do not accept transgender applicants.
Yeah, I'm into genealogy!

[cheerfulgreek]

Lane swerve.

I skipped sororities on purpose. I mean, I already had enough drama in AIM chats and dorm hallway gossip, but even I know a man in a dress doesn’t make him a woman. That’s not empowerment, it’s cosplay with hormones. And trust me, if I were in a sorority, I’d smile and say, “Congrats on your new pronouns, but no, you’re still not getting a bid.” You don’t rush your way into womanhood. Try again … oh wait, you can’t. Sorry.

End lane swerve.

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

With all due respect, I hear your argument about how it’s hard to verify someone’s biological sex, but let me be clear, as a professional artist and designer who’s spent decades studying and teaching figure drawing and human anatomy, the male and female body are not interchangeable. Even without obvious markers, you can spot the difference in structure, proportion, and movement.

Arms are a perfect example. Men’s elbows hang differently, their shoulders sit wider, and their range of motion is more angular. Women have a softer rotation and a more curved skeletal balance. And that’s just arms. The hands and feet tell their own story too. Men typically have broader palms, thicker fingers, and squarer hand shapes. Women’s hands are more tapered, with narrower wrists and more delicate finger articulation. The same applies to feet. Men’s feet are generally wider and flatter with bulkier ankles, while women’s feet have higher arches, narrower structure, and finer bone definition.

Pelvic tilt, clavicle width, limb ratio, gait, it’s all biologically coded. These are anatomical realities that you can’t surgically replicate or hormone away.

You don’t need DNA tests, you need eyes and honesty. That’s all you need. Saying “how would we even know?” only works if we all agree to ignore everything we already do know about the human body.

Biology isn’t a belief system, it’s a blueprint. You don’t identify into a skeleton. The body always tells the truth, even when people don’t.

Wow! LOL!!!! Dude, this is insane detail only a trained eye can see. Some things are obvious, but damn! Lmao!

But I get it. You know through drawing this shit most of your life Lol. Interesting info though, PB.

Originally Posted by honeychile

It stands for Daughters of the American Revolution. It's for women who have an ancestor who served for the Patriots/Continental line during the Revolution. Interestingly, the SONS of the American Revolution (SAR) do not accept transgender applicants.
Yeah, I'm into genealogy!

I learned something new. Are you a member, honeychile? Just me being curious.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Lane swerve.

I skipped sororities on purpose. I mean, I already had enough drama in AIM chats and dorm hallway gossip, but even I know a man in a dress doesn’t make him a woman. That’s not empowerment, it’s cosplay with hormones. And trust me, if I were in a sorority, I’d smile and say, “Congrats on your new pronouns, but no, you’re still not getting a bid.” You don’t rush your way into womanhood. Try again … oh wait, you can’t. Sorry.

End lane swerve.

LOL! CG, real talk. Something I’ve always wanted to ask you, just kept forgetting. I’ll post it on our chat thread since you felt you had to do a lane swerve.

[honeychile]

Phrozen, yes, I am a member of the DAR, First Families of Western Pennsylvania, and a couple other pedigree societies. I was raised on genealogy, and my mother was very involved in various groups. Every now and again, I go into a genealogical frenzy and make an attempt on The Mayflower Society. My DNA says that I'm a descendant, but I still need to document the lineage.

I really enjoy "Finding Your Roots," and "Who Do You Think You Are?" - it's the reallife mystery that fascinates me.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Phrozen, yes, I am a member of the DAR, First Families of Western Pennsylvania, and a couple other pedigree societies. I was raised on genealogy, and my mother was very involved in various groups. Every now and again, I go into a genealogical frenzy and make an attempt on The Mayflower Society. My DNA says that I'm a descendant, but I still need to document the lineage.

I really enjoy "Finding Your Roots," and "Who Do You Think You Are?" - it's the reallife mystery that fascinates me.

I qualify on both sides of my family! I just need to get the marriage and birth certificates for two people and I'm all set. During the pandemic, I spent lots of my time doing family research and ended up learning that I can trace my ancestry to someone who fought in most American wars, including the French & Indian! My husband recently became a British citizen based on some of primary sources I was able to locate.

Last month, I got a piece of mail I'd been waiting on for a while. My husband asked, "Why are you getting death certificates in the mail?"

Not commenting on the primary topic, than to say that transgender women have always been members of our organizations, but always ready for a genealogy-related lane swerve.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I qualify on both sides of my family! I just need to get the marriage and birth certificates for two people and I'm all set. During the pandemic, I spent lots of my time doing family research and ended up learning that I can trace my ancestry to someone who fought in most American wars, including the French & Indian! My husband recently became a British citizen based on some of primary sources I was able to locate.

On Veteran's Day and similar holiday, my mother would say to my daddy, "someone in my family fought in every war that America has ever been in!" He would respond, "Your family couldn't get along with anyone!"

When it comes to the pedigree associations, you really have to pick your favorites - it gets very expensive, very quickly! Good luck!