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A Victory for Sororities: Education Department Rules Sororities Are for Women Only

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A Victory for Sororities: Education Department Rules Sororities Are for Women Only

https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/06/...Bs3gyAZOlgwkAA

Should have never even been a thing or a debate/argument in the first place. Never should have even been on the books for discussion. Smh.

Now come the hasty.changes to bylaws, regarding previous recent changes regarding membership/gender definitions and status, among NPC groups holding a Convention this summer.

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 2513400)

Should have never even been a thing or a debate/argument in the first place. Never should have even been on the books for discussion. Smh.

The same holds true for fraternities. Every space has a purpose. Sororities exist for women. Fraternities exist for men. If we erase that line, we erase the meaning behind both. Saying a biological female is a “brother” because a group decided to go along with a trend doesn’t make it true, it makes it dishonest. And I won’t play along with dishonesty.

Brotherhood is a bond built on shared male identity, physically, emotionally, and developmentally. A biological female, no matter how she identifies, can’t embody that experience. Fraternities have meaning because of that structure. Diluting it in the name of inclusivity isn’t progress, it’s identity theft.

That said, fraternities and sororities are built on complementary, not interchangeable, identities. Again, brotherhood is for men. Sisterhood is for women. If we erase that distinction, we lose what makes Greek life meaningful. Inclusion shouldn’t come at the cost of structure, truth, or tradition.

Just as before, if there is a chapter who wants to admit a transgender woman, or a fraternity chapter that wants to admit a transgender man, they will find a way to do so.

It’s definitely coming, no doubt. Chapters can vote however they want to, but if they abandon biological truth, they’re abandoning the very foundation of what these organizations stand for. My personal conviction? I will not extend brotherhood where manhood isn’t present. The grip and love are earned through shared identity not cultural revision.

Changing the language doesn’t change the truth. And I will not participate in something that strips away what our Founders clearly intended. She will get no grip, no bond, no acknowledgment from me. Period.

And for you Kappa brothers lurking and not joining, I know you see my posts. Read what I posted here again if you have to. Those brothers who allow an abomination like this to happen, and those brothers who stay silent because of it, understand that silence in the face of lies is not neutrality, it’s agreement by omission. When truth is under attack, and people stay quiet out of fear or convenience, they’re not staying out of it, they’re helping it spread. In other words, you’re part of the problem. Silence doesn’t protect truth, it buries it.

Big dude who was trying to get into KKG, that article had me crying LMAO!

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Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands (Post 2513418)

Big dude who was trying to get into KKG, that article had me crying LMAO!

IIRC, Big Dude DID get into Kappa Kappa Gamma. This has been going on for two years now. I don't know if he was initiated or not, but the timeline would say that he was.

This issue has been really disturbing to me, not only on a sorority level, but the Daughters of the American Revolution are going through a similar problem. I just don't understand how a man joins the DAR instead of the Sons of the American Revolution, especially when birth certificates are involved.

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Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands (Post 2513418)

Big dude who was trying to get into KKG, that article had me crying LMAO!

That dude is a member, Phroze. He looks like a soft football player. What gets me is some were taking group photos with him. They all should have slid right out that photo frame and left him posing solo in that too tight baby-gap-sized KKG shirt.

My thoughts are that it's up to the private organizations to define these things, not the government. Are they going to require DNA tests before initiation? How would anybody know? How does it get verified? What about XXY folks?

Seriously, only a woman is every going to be interested in sorority life, legitimately. However, I believe a trans woman is a woman.

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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2513421)

I remember there being some lawsuits involved or something like that, that’s why I thought it got caught and assumed dude didn’t make it in.

I’m not familiar with DAR. What is that?

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 2513423)

LOL

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 2513425)

With all due respect, I hear your argument about how it’s hard to verify someone’s biological sex, but let me be clear, as a professional artist and designer who’s spent decades studying and teaching figure drawing and human anatomy, the male and female body are not interchangeable. Even without obvious markers, you can spot the difference in structure, proportion, and movement.

Arms are a perfect example. Men’s elbows hang differently, their shoulders sit wider, and their range of motion is more angular. Women have a softer rotation and a more curved skeletal balance. And that’s just arms. The hands and feet tell their own story too. Men typically have broader palms, thicker fingers, and squarer hand shapes. Women’s hands are more tapered, with narrower wrists and more delicate finger articulation. The same applies to feet. Men’s feet are generally wider and flatter with bulkier ankles, while women’s feet have higher arches, narrower structure, and finer bone definition.

Pelvic tilt, clavicle width, limb ratio, gait, it’s all biologically coded. These are anatomical realities that you can’t surgically replicate or hormone away.

You don’t need DNA tests, you need eyes and honesty. That’s all you need. Saying “how would we even know?” only works if we all agree to ignore everything we already do know about the human body.

Biology isn’t a belief system, it’s a blueprint. You don’t identify into a skeleton. The body always tells the truth, even when people don’t.

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Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands (Post 2513429)

I remember there being some lawsuits involved or something like that, that’s why I thought it got caught and assumed dude didn’t make it in.

I’m not familiar with DAR. What is that?

LOL

It stands for Daughters of the American Revolution. It's for women who have an ancestor who served for the Patriots/Continental line during the Revolution. Interestingly, the SONS of the American Revolution (SAR) do not accept transgender applicants.
Yeah, I'm into genealogy!

Lane swerve.

I skipped sororities on purpose. I mean, I already had enough drama in AIM chats and dorm hallway gossip, but even I know a man in a dress doesn’t make him a woman. That’s not empowerment, it’s cosplay with hormones. And trust me, if I were in a sorority, I’d smile and say, “Congrats on your new pronouns, but no, you’re still not getting a bid.” You don’t rush your way into womanhood. Try again … oh wait, you can’t. Sorry.

End lane swerve.