Meanwhile at UCLA, Sig Ep and Alpha Phi do Kanye & Kardashians

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Right, let them be protested, let the newspaper publish editorials, publish their photos, let these things be published in social media and people be held up to public ridicule for any stupidity.

The line is drawn at government intervention. It's a clear line. Schools should know better.



Damn.. you actually said something somewhat insightful and civil and then this turd of a comment. What a dipshit thing to say.

What a dipshit thing to do to mock cultural norms of those not like you because you think it is a joke.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

What a dipshit thing to do to mock cultural norms of those not like you because you think it is a joke.

Cultural norms??? Did you even look at what this party was or are you just jumping on the overzealous outrage bandwagon? I'm so very sorry that someone made light of the very serious cultural "event" which was Kanye's Golddiger song. Oh my God. All of the outrage. And "those not like you"? I'm sure if you checked the itunes playlists of these kids, these songs being "mocked" as you put it can be found there. Whose culture do you think is being mocked? Are you suggesting that American Pop Culture is the exclusive province of some race? Or does it just deserve its own outrage category altogether?

Blackface is bad, this ain't it.

Border jumping parties where one side dresses up as stereotypical Mexicans and the other side border police is bad. This ain't it.

Cowboys and Indians... again, this ain't it.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Cultural norms??? Did you even look at what this party was or are you just jumping on the overzealous outrage bandwagon? I'm so very sorry that someone made light of the very serious cultural "event" which was Kanye's Golddiger song. Oh my God. All of the outrage.

I did look. They party was mocking a song by an AfAm artist.

Why don't y'all make fun of Luke Bryan, Kenny Chesney and Tammy Wynette. I mean, every C&W song is just ripe for mockery.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I did look. They party was mocking a song by an AfAm artist.

And what's your point? So any music by any AfAm artist is somehow sacrosanct and is now too serious to be mocked in any way? Okay.. so that is a new rule. Kanye West is so super serious, must be taken seriously.. gotcha.

Why don't y'all make fun of Luke Bryan, Kenny Chesney and Tammy Wynette.

You don't get to use the word "y'all" in this context unless you agree I can say "you people."

I mean, every C&W song is just ripe for mockery.

Fabulous. In this sentence, you committed every bit as grave a sin as anyone in any of these UCLA chapters. Your organization should be suspended pending investigation.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Kevin

And what's your point? So any music by any AfAm artist is somehow sacrosanct and is now too serious to be mocked in any way? Okay.. so that is a new rule. Kanye West is so super serious, must be taken seriously.. gotcha.



You don't get to use the word "y'all" in this context unless you agree I can say "you people."



Fabulous. In this sentence, you committed every bit as grave a sin as anyone in any of these UCLA chapters. Your organization should be suspended pending investigation.

Are you offended, Kevin?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Are you offended, Kevin?

Not at all. Just pointing out that in this instance, you are being an asshat.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by LAblondeGPhi

But - I do want to recognize the limitations of my own perspective, so I'm coming at this with genuine curiosity and open-mindedness. Here we go:


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At what point does the outfit cross the line?


I'm sure there were other costume variations at the party, so I'm sure that there were plenty more offensive than those listed here. But the thing is, I've seen plenty of "Tennis Pros/Golf Pros/CEOs and Something Hos" parties, or "White Trash whatever", or even "Famous Couples", and all of those are going to make fun of some group.

So is the real issue that the theme was "Kanye Western" and not "Taylor Swifty"?

The real issue for me is the need to purposely darken your skin for the event. Gold diggers come in all races, ethnic groups and genders. Gold diggers are not limited to one group.

Originally Posted by DTD Alum

Appropriate Black cultural identifiers? By dressing up as gold miners? A profession that, by the way, was predominantly white? Or was it when they dressed up as a white woman?

95% of these parties, I agree with you. This one is patently absurd.

Gold diggers in the context that Kanye used it in his song is about women who are only after men for their money. The fact that a Black man is singing a song about that is really no reason to darken your skin.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Not at all. Just pointing out that in this instance, you are being an asshat.

No, I'm pointing out that on the surface, it really does look like this NPC chapter was doing "blackface". Maybe that was not their intent, but it appears like it was. We can debate and split hairs over "is it really blackface or not", but I can assure you most people aren't going to debate the issue. They are going to go based on what they see.

As I said before, NPC / IFC / NIC groups have historically mocked other cultures for the purpose of a party theme. This incident may not be blackface per se, but it does fall into the realm of it.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Kevin

And what's your point? So any music by any AfAm artist is somehow sacrosanct and is now too serious to be mocked in any way? Okay.. so that is a new rule. Kanye West is so super serious, must be taken seriously.. gotcha.

I don't even think Kanye takes himself this seriously. And that's saying a lot.

Also--pop singers are way more visible than C&W singers so it's a weak comparison. they're simply not in the public eye as much.

Listen, there wasn't even blackface at this party. The professional outragers barked up the wrong tree and now a lot of innocent people are being punished. Ugh.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I don't even think Kanye takes himself this seriously. And that's saying a lot.

Also--pop singers are way more visible than C&W singers so it's a weak comparison. they're simply not in the public eye as much.

Listen, there wasn't even blackface at this party. The professional outragers barked up the wrong tree and now a lot of innocent people are being punished. Ugh.

I guess it is okay to act Black, as long as you are not actually Black.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I guess it is okay to act Black, as long as you are not actually Black.

Who acted black? The gold diggers? The women dressed up like Kim Kardashian? Please let me know because I am missing this.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I did look. They party was mocking a song by an AfAm artist.

Why don't y'all make fun of Luke Bryan, Kenny Chesney and Tammy Wynette. I mean, every C&W song is just ripe for mockery.

Wait what? White people can't use music by African Americans at parties?

You're seriously grasping at straws here.