Meanwhile at UCLA, Sig Ep and Alpha Phi do Kanye & Kardashians

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ChioLu

Sig Ep and Alpha Phi are under social suspension (no social activities while UCLA is investigating).

2 Washington Post articles relating to this matter.

The last line in this article is my favorite:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...western-party/

This WP article is written by a UCLA Law grad. Too much law-speak for me to understand, but I think it states that the social suspension of both groups while the investigation is going on, is unconstitutional. (Kevin -- can you "translate"?)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...orority-party/

Translation: If these students and organizations want to sue the school, they are probably going to win. Last year, you may recall the University of Oklahoma expelling a few students and kicking SAE off of campus due to some racist basement songs. There was a consensus then that the school was not in their rights, but took a calculated risk, which in the end, may end up costing the university.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...he-university/

The fact is that schools are going to keep doing this until we fight back. Here's hoping these groups do not buckle to the university's bullying tactics and file suit. Schools don't have the legal power to punish this kind of speech, so they shouldn't even be suspending anyone pending an investigation.

That said, if the organizations' national HQs decide that this conduct is not represenative of their ideals, as private organizations, they can do whatever they want.

ETA: I really would encourage national organizations to push back on these issues. Protect your own spheres of influence. Act because that's what your values require, not because you are bending to the bullying of the host institution. Defend some of these actions on sheer principle. If a chapter holds an event where blackface is used, try a membership review instead of shuttering the chapter. Boot the idiots who don't uphold your values, but still give some value to the efforts of the hundreds of alumni/ae before them and the time, treasure and talent expended to achieve and maintain what that chapter was able to accomplish prior to some unfortunate incident. If the school punishes the chapter, haul their asses into court. You won't have a problem finding lawyers since in these cases, the school is going to be on the hook for attorney fees.

[Munchkin03]

Oh, the grievance industry's main recruits are in academia...

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The fact is that schools are going to keep doing this until we fight back. Here's hoping these groups do not buckle to the university's bullying tactics and file suit. Schools don't have the legal power to punish this kind of speech, so they shouldn't even be suspending anyone pending an investigation.

I actually agree with this. I think everyone has the right to show how classless, tasteless, and racially insensitive they can behave.

Nothing says NPC / IFC/ NIC like white kids mocking the cultures of others in the name of fun.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I actually agree with this. I think everyone has the right to show how classless, tasteless, and racially insensitive they can behave.

Right, let them be protested, let the newspaper publish editorials, publish their photos, let these things be published in social media and people be held up to public ridicule for any stupidity.

The line is drawn at government intervention. It's a clear line. Schools should know better.

Nothing says NPC / IFC/ NIC like white kids mocking the cultures of others in the name of fun.

Damn.. you actually said something somewhat insightful and civil and then this turd of a comment. What a dipshit thing to say.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Right, let them be protested, let the newspaper publish editorials, publish their photos, let these things be published in social media and people be held up to public ridicule for any stupidity.

The line is drawn at government intervention. It's a clear line. Schools should know better.



Damn.. you actually said something somewhat insightful and civil and then this turd of a comment. What a dipshit thing to say.

What a dipshit thing to do to mock cultural norms of those not like you because you think it is a joke.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

What a dipshit thing to do to mock cultural norms of those not like you because you think it is a joke.

Cultural norms??? Did you even look at what this party was or are you just jumping on the overzealous outrage bandwagon? I'm so very sorry that someone made light of the very serious cultural "event" which was Kanye's Golddiger song. Oh my God. All of the outrage. And "those not like you"? I'm sure if you checked the itunes playlists of these kids, these songs being "mocked" as you put it can be found there. Whose culture do you think is being mocked? Are you suggesting that American Pop Culture is the exclusive province of some race? Or does it just deserve its own outrage category altogether?

Blackface is bad, this ain't it.

Border jumping parties where one side dresses up as stereotypical Mexicans and the other side border police is bad. This ain't it.

Cowboys and Indians... again, this ain't it.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Cultural norms??? Did you even look at what this party was or are you just jumping on the overzealous outrage bandwagon? I'm so very sorry that someone made light of the very serious cultural "event" which was Kanye's Golddiger song. Oh my God. All of the outrage.

I did look. They party was mocking a song by an AfAm artist.

Why don't y'all make fun of Luke Bryan, Kenny Chesney and Tammy Wynette. I mean, every C&W song is just ripe for mockery.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I did look. They party was mocking a song by an AfAm artist.

And what's your point? So any music by any AfAm artist is somehow sacrosanct and is now too serious to be mocked in any way? Okay.. so that is a new rule. Kanye West is so super serious, must be taken seriously.. gotcha.

Why don't y'all make fun of Luke Bryan, Kenny Chesney and Tammy Wynette.

You don't get to use the word "y'all" in this context unless you agree I can say "you people."

I mean, every C&W song is just ripe for mockery.

Fabulous. In this sentence, you committed every bit as grave a sin as anyone in any of these UCLA chapters. Your organization should be suspended pending investigation.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I did look. They party was mocking a song by an AfAm artist.

Why don't y'all make fun of Luke Bryan, Kenny Chesney and Tammy Wynette. I mean, every C&W song is just ripe for mockery.

Wait what? White people can't use music by African Americans at parties?

You're seriously grasping at straws here.

[Munchkin03]

Nothing says NPC / IFC/ NIC like white kids mocking the cultures of others in the name of fun.

Wait, what?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Wait, what?

I think her reaction to this sums up the reaction of a lot of these UCLA students who really, honestly, don't understand what they are outraged about. It's kind of a "Bless your heart" moment.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I think her reaction to this sums up the reaction of a lot of these UCLA students who really, honestly, don't understand what they are outraged about. It's kind of a "Bless your heart" moment.

Outraged at the continued display of immaturity by adults who view those that are different from them as a chance to ridicule.