Organizations after undergrad that are like fraternities in terms of brotherhood?

[als463]

Originally Posted by mbatisah

OK, so just FYI, if you don't think people give-out advice about joining the military on message boards, I strongly suggest you stay away from military.com's forum "advice on joining" and, well, basically the rest of the internet. As for your concern that I don't know his BMI or standing heart rate ... uh ... there's this thing called MEPS ... he can't print-out my post and use it to go straight from GreekChat into an IT battalion on the DMZ.

I'm sorry I've upset you so terribly, but I do hope you feel better.

(P.S. As a brother of one of the oldest Research Lodges in the U.S., and a member of the Grand College of Rites, I thank you for letting me know the Masons have "been around for many years." [sic] Valuable information, indeed.)

Trying to tell people to simply "join the military" to fill in for not going Greek is just bad advice. It's much more than just BMI and standing heart rate so, take a seat. It may be hard for you to admit it but, you need to face the fact that the advice you gave was reallly bad. As far as the lodges go, I find it even more disturbing that you speak so disparagingly about Free Masons (calling them inferior) when you claim to be a member. I don't need your condescending tone about me being "upset" and needing to feel better when you are new here and dispense horrible advice. I'm not upset but, I would feel better if people like you wouldn't just pass off the military or "inferior" organizations in lieu of going Greek on a Greek forum.

Now, I hope you feel better.

[mbatisah]

Originally Posted by als463

Trying to tell people to simply "join the military" to fill in for not going Greek is just bad advice. It's much more than just BMI and standing heart rate so, take a seat. It may be hard for you to admit it but, you need to face the fact that the advice you gave was reallly bad. As far as the lodges go, I find it even more disturbing that you speak so disparagingly about Free Masons (calling them inferior) when you claim to be a member. I don't need your condescending tone about me being "upset" and needing to feel better when you are new here and dispense horrible advice. I'm not upset but, I would feel better if people like you wouldn't just pass off the military or "inferior" organizations in lieu of going Greek on a Greek forum.

Now, I hope you feel better.

I'm not trying to be condescending, your previous two posts just communicate the sense of a person who is horribly upset.

As for my advice, I stand by it 100%. If you have different experience during your time as a Master Mason or your experience with MEPS, by all means offer it up. However, in life you'll find many people have different opinions from your own and simply yelling "Take it back! Take back what you said!" usually doesn't promote rational dialog.

There's no reason anyone should get themselves as terribly worked up as you've got yourself because someone disagreed with you on an internet forum. Have a glass of water, take a short walk, and just cool down a bit.

[als463]

Originally Posted by mbatisah

I'm not trying to be condescending, your previous two posts just communicate the sense of a person who is horribly upset.

As for my advice, I stand by it 100%. If you have different experience during your time as a Master Mason or your experience with MEPS, by all means offer it up. However, in life you'll find many people have different opinions from your own and simply yelling "Take it back! Take back what you said!" usually doesn't promote rational dialog.

There's no reason anyone should get themselves as terribly worked up as you've got yourself because someone disagreed with you on an internet forum. Have a glass of water, take a short walk, and just cool down a bit.

I'm far from "angry" and your responses to me tell me that you have no idea about me. I'm not a Mason but, I'm married to one. As far as the military goes, this is not about you disagreeing with me. I find it offensive for you to offer that up on a silver platter to some random stranger you know nothing about. It's offensive to those who have worn the uniform. I sincerely hope no one chooses to take your advice. I actually question how honest you have been this entire time about your career and experiences. I don't need someone like you being condescending because you know nothing about me. You come on GC and start dispensing horrible advice, acting condescending to GC members, and telling people that they need to "dial it bacK" and they must be angry because they see right through you. That doesn't make me angry. That makes me sad to know people like you exist.

[mbatisah]

Originally Posted by als463

I'm not a Mason

correct

[als463]

Originally Posted by mbatisah

correct

Your lack of intelligence is showing.

[mbatisah]

Originally Posted by als463

You also had the audacity to refer to the Free Masons

Originally Posted by als463

I'm not a Mason

So, to clarify, the last page of posts in which you absolutely savaged me with insult upon insult was all to race to the "defense" of an organization of which you're not a member ... but of which I am? (And, an unnecessary defense, I might add, as the insult you convinced yourself had occurred was non-existent - a fact you would most certainly understand if you had a working knowledge of the craft.) I suspect if we compared DD214s a similar admission would eventually surface, vis a vis your qualifications to comment on matters of a military nature.

At this point I think my previous counsel for you to "dial it back" may be worthy of revisit. You've worked yourself up into a bit of a whirling dervish for, what appears to be, a very unusual reason and I don't think anything is being served by you continuing this spectacle in public. Don't you agree? I'm sure you do.

[als463]

Originally Posted by mbatisah

So, to clarify, the last page of posts in which you absolutely savaged me with insult upon insult was all to race to the "defense" of an organization of which you're not a member ... but of which I am? (And, an unnecessary defense, I might add, as the insult you convinced yourself had occurred was non-existent - a fact you would most certainly understand if you had a working knowledge of the craft.) I suspect if we compared DD214s a similar admission would eventually surface, vis a vis your military background.
At this point I think my previous counsel for you to "dial it back" may be worthy of revisit. You've worked yourself up into a bit of a whirling dervish for, what appears to be, a very odd reason and I don't think anything is being served by you continuing this spectacle in public. Don't you agree? I'm sure you do.

There it is...the sexist pig remark I expected of you. It's a straw person argument to assume that, as a woman, there is no way I could have done anything remotely as important or respectable as you (of course) in the military. You sir, are a real jackass. Maybe you need to dial it back. I mean, you give bad advice, make sexist remarks (like the above--because I can read between the lines, as many GCers and know what you were insinuating), and talk a big game like you are someone important. I have to laugh because you have no idea about me or what I have done but, I won't be pretentious by trying to flaunt my resume to someone not worth my time.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by mbatisah

I suspect if we compared DD214s a similar admission would eventually surface, vis a vis your qualifications to comment on matters of a military nature.

You did not just claim that als463 was NEVER in the military. als463 is a GOOD friend of mine and I am appalled that you have the audacity to claim that she lied about her service. She is NOT one of the phonies that we have seen all over youtube.

And as to your advice to the OP that he just up and join the National Guard because he will get the same "brotherhood" as a fraternity, what planet did you come from? My brother served in the National Guard for 7 years. While he is no longer the same person he was prior to his military service, his service in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM instilled a sense of "brotherhood" in the sense that Greek life can instill. My brother rarely speaks to those he served with and he got out 7 years ago. They might be a random facebook friend but other than that he has very little contact with them.

Me on the other hand, being Greek I HAVE the sisterhood you are describing. I am incredibly active in my sorority as an alumnae member. The bond I have with my sisters is COMPLETELY different than the bond I have with people who graduated from Arizona State or Northern Arizona (where I got my degrees) from.

Now, I'm not saying that you don't have a right to post or a right to your opinion, but posting incorrect advice or making claims that just aren't true isn't cool.

[mbatisah]

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