Happily hazed?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by tld221

I agree with StealthMode - while the student really should've considered discretion, she is an undergraduate. On a very short-term, local level, I do not blame the student for thinking those things ARE essential, especially if the chapter and Greek culture at her school puts a lot of emphasis on those things.

It never occurred to me that a neophyte presentation was an "essential" part to being Greek, but best believe I've met my share of Greeks who think it's odd at best and suspect at worst my line didn't have one. It's not a huge thing here but elsewhere, it's absolutely a must (socially speaking, anyway).

So again, I can see how this student, even though she talked too much, felt like these things were necessary, especially if it's presented as such.

I hear you but we NPHCers can discuss that until we are crimson () in the face and non-NPHCers aren't a central part of that discussion. Non-NPHCers are especially not a central part of that discussion if non-NPHCers will make assumptions that could possibly result in a chapter getting in trouble.

This thread is really not about traditions and what makes a "real XYZ" . This thread is about assuming a chapter is involved in unsafe, banned, and illegal activities; and assuming that a student who is anxious to learn certain traditions outside of an official timeline is "happily hazed".

[tld221]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I hear you but we NPHCers can discuss that until we are crimson () in the face and non-NPHCers aren't a central part of that discussion. Non-NPHCers are especially not a central part of that discussion if non-NPHCers will make assumptions that could possibly result in a chapter getting in trouble.

This thread is really not about traditions and what makes a "real XYZ" . This thread is about assuming a chapter is involved in unsafe, banned, and illegal activities; and assuming that a student who is anxious to learn certain traditions outside of an official timeline is "happily hazed".

You sure not blue in the face?

I hear you, I was going on a slight tangent. I think most people, greek or not, hear students' concerns about pursuing membership and automatically jump to the worst conclusions. I can't compare NPC to NPHC re: hazing allegations but, like it was mentioned before, even a slight insinuation of foul play (hell, just play) is grounds to "suspend first, ask questions later."

I had a colleague (non-greek) who a student mentioned wanting to join a sorority, and then, as an explanation for the difference in her availability at work, said she was pursuing membership. As he mentioned it to me: "hey, did you know (Student) is pledging your sorority?" Now, I think to the average NPCer, no biggie. My response was jumping to the worst just by hearing "pledging" not realizing my colleague jumped to the worst by referring to it as pledging - "I dont know what you guys call it, I just figured that was the overall phrase. I hope she's going to be OK."

Again, didn't think much of it, but I DID give a heads-up on her discretion. Another seasoned member (or non-member) mightve set off all sorts of alarms with that one question. I happen to know a higher up at that college is a Soror and could've easily shut that chapter down with that conversation filler, even if "pledging" was just semantics and the word that came to him at the moment.

[DrPhil]

I love you and StealthMode's tangents. I just wish it wasn't in the hazing forum. LOL. Greekchat used to have tons of discussions about NPHC traditions and differing opinions of the necessity of some traditions.

Yeah your colleague and other inquisitive people could get a chapter investigated. Even a professor who reports a student's exhaustion during class time or reports a student's failure to submit assignments can get a chapter investigated. That could've been completely the student's choice to stay up late reading information on the GLO or to not submit assignments. Some NPHC chapters have made sure students keep up with school work and students get lots of sleep so these students don't incorrectly attribute certain things to membership intake and get the chapter in hot water.