Universities Under Investigation Re: Handling Sexual Assault

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

Found the case files. Here is the link:

http://ncaa.blog.chatsports.com/file...-Case-File.pdf

And for those who don't have the inclination to read all 243 pages, this is a link to a synopsis of the files. I do not know the analyst personally, so cannot attest to his accuracy, and being an FSU fan, he has a certain bias. I read the complete files when they were first released, but I will withhold my opinion, because I don't want to introduce bias. i do hope some of you will read and discuss.

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2013/1...tion-documents

The second link pretty clearly undermines your point that you don't want to introduce bias. That guy picks apart the inconsistencies of the victim's statements and her friends, while completely and totally ignoring those of Winston and his friends.

In any case, the problem comes in with things like p84. Why would a police investigator need to go through the athletic office to talk to Winston or his friends? Why are members of the athletic staff claiming to serve as representatives of the football players involved?

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

The second link pretty clearly undermines your point that you don't want to introduce bias. That guy picks apart the inconsistencies of the victim's statements and her friends, while completely and totally ignoring those of Winston and his friends.

In any case, the problem comes in with things like p84. Why would a police investigator need to go through the athletic office to talk to Winston or his friends? Why are members of the athletic staff claiming to serve as representatives of the football players involved?

What were the inconsistencies of Winston and his friends?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by honorgal

What were the inconsistencies of Winston and his friends?

"I went into the room to play a joke on him, oh, wait, I mean I actually went into the room to ask if I could have sex with her too."

In any case, it's not germane to the point of how FSU handled this. FSU clearly rallied around Winston, as evidenced by the fact that the athletic department intervened when the university was contacted by the police. That's not an acceptable way to treat an accusation of any crime.

Rape happens a lot, and it's poorly handled on college campuses. I don't know why you are so invested in arguing the merits of individual cases when the point is that campus rape is a problem.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

"I went into the room to play a joke on him, oh, wait, I mean I actually went into the room to ask if I could have sex with her too."

In any case, it's not germane to the point of how FSU handled this. FSU clearly rallied around Winston, as evidenced by the fact that the athletic department intervened when the university was contacted by the police. That's not an acceptable way to treat an accusation of any crime.

Rape happens a lot, and it's poorly handled on college campuses. I don't know why you are so invested in arguing the merits of individual cases when the point is that campus rape is a problem.

Yes, I've heard it happens a lot. 1 in 5. Even the President is using this made up statistic now. I'm not buying it. That would make our college campuses more dangerous than the worst of our inner cities. I'm the mother of a beautiful and precious rising college junior. If I believed her college campus was as dangerous as you are claiming, I'd make her live at home and attend a local school. And so would scores of other caring parents.

I'm invested in the truth, not hysteria. Your framing of the issue is very telling - let's not focus on individual cases and facts. But there are real individuals behind each of them, and real consequences for the men too. There ARE rapes on college campuses. But drunken, regretted, disrespectful hookup sex between friends and aquaintences is the much bigger problem behind the statistics. And it's foolish to think our colleges can adjudicate the vast majority of these situations fairly or with due process for both parties. Rape is a serious felony, and it should be treated as such. We don't expect our college administrators to handle any other felonies (murder, serious assault). Why do we have an exception for rape?

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

The second link pretty clearly undermines your point that you don't want to introduce bias. That guy picks apart the inconsistencies of the victim's statements and her friends, while completely and totally ignoring those of Winston and his friends.

In any case, the problem comes in with things like p84. Why would a police investigator need to go through the athletic office to talk to Winston or his friends? Why are members of the athletic staff claiming to serve as representatives of the football players involved?

I stand corrected-I should have said that I don't want to share my own opinion at this time, as it may appear biased.

And again I ask, have you read the case records?

Troll=/= Honorgal. Honorgal has been a GC member for a while.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

And again I ask, have you read the case records?

In my observation, most people don't ever take the time to bother with the facts.